Charlotte Bid at 'Front of the Line' for MLS's 30th Team

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

Nobody cares what the rest of the world does.

I'm not a citizen of the World. 

I'm a citizen of The United States. 

You don't realize how dumb this sounds?

[1of10Charnatives]

25 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

Lol Soccer people always bring up the rest of the world argument. 

The rest of the world hasn't gone to the moon.

The rest of the world is less athletic on average than The United States.

The rest of the world loves soccer for 2 reasons.

Any human can play.

It costs zero money to play you just need a ball.

 

Football on the other hand at every level all the way down to 1st grade is played by the few. It requires not only skill but heart, toughness and courage that doesn't exist in soccer.

The greatest athletes on the planet are NFL players and it's not even close.

The entire first part of your post is based on economic elitism and technological primacy. The technological primacy the US had when it went to the moon is erroding rapidly, so be careful about making this argument. 

Economic wealth does not grant heart, toughness and courage and I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know better. Saying such things don't exist in a sport you don't care for is obvious bias and not worth debating, just know that no one who sees things exactly the way you do is going to agree with that statement.

Is Vontaze Bufict courageous? Does he have heart?

No, he's a piece of human excrement.

The attributes you claim as exclusive to football and nonexistent in soccer exist at and individual level, and since I've just disproved they are universally found in NFL players (tell me you're not going to argue Burfict has those qualities, we both know better), it's also pretty fair to assert they can just as easily be found in soccer players, it all depends upon the person. Making blanket assertions that admirable human qualities that you listed do not exist in a sport played by hundreds of millions of people is absurd on it's face. 

As to who the greatest athletes on the planet are, the games require similar levels of athleticism to play at a high level. One contains a higher level of violence, the other requires even greater endurance from near nonstop motion. There's no objective basis for asserting that NFL players are better athletes than pro soccer players, it's just your own personal opinion, which is by your own admission highly biased.

Say you don't like soccer, no one's gonna argue with you, that's a personal preference. Say you find it boring to watch, I'll agree. Say it's just not your thing. All those things are fine, but let's not pretend that there's real quantifiable differences in athletic ability or admirable human qualities between professional players of both sports. You've presented no evidence or compelling arguments that these things are true.

[Happy Panther]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

You don't realize how dumb this sounds?

He's proud of it. Spent much of my life in other countries and always hated the stereotypes we get. Ignorant nationalists. I always say it isn't like that. But posts like his remind that there is a good reason for these stereotypes. 

[1of10Charnatives]

5 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

I'll lay down this challenge to soccer people since it will never ever happen on any level but be honest with yourself. 

We actually presented two similar challenges in my life neither one were taken by the instigating side nor permitted by the governing bodies.

Take the best pro soccer team in the world. Have them play a real full contact regulation football game vs the Panthers. 

Then a week later have them play a full regulation soccer game vs the Panthers. 

I guarantee the Panthers beat them worse in Football than they get beat in Soccer. 

Football probably what 400 to nothing?

Soccer we lose maybe 5 to nothing.

You're asserting the outcome of a hypothetical as fact. If you can't see the logical fallacy in that, I don't really know what to tell you.

No one has any idea how such a thing would turn out.

For all any of us knows the Panthers would lose 100 to 0.

Regardless, what in the world would that possibly prove?

You're making the most obvious attempt to compare apples to oranges I've seen in a long time.

Just say you don't like soccer and let that be the end of it. There's zero reason you need to prove an unproveable thing to people who just fundamentally don't share your personal distaste for something. Franky, why you'd feel the need to come into a thread about something you don't care for just to poo all over it does not make you look good. It makes you look bitter, petty and unreasonable. Not sure why you feel a need to argue this in this fashion because your posts elsewhere come across much better. I find soccer boring, but I don't feel any need to disrespect the game or it's players just because it isn't something I prefer.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

Because it doesn't belong in an NFL forum. 

Yes I am difficult and unreasonable when it comes to soccer. I agree.

So since the moderation of the forums isn't really your responsibility, why wouldn't you leave the determination of what should or should not be here to the mods? There is right now an extremely popular thread about Sir Issaac Newton and Alan Turing that has no bearing on the NFL except the play on the names. Igo has posted to that thread and clearly approves of it despite it's off topic nature, saying the Huddle is at it's best when it doesn't take itself too seriously. This thread has the same tangential bearing as that one, since Tepper is owner and clearly supportive of MLS and efforts to bring it here.

The obvious thing to do with a thread about a subject you don't care for is to ignore it. You're too smart to want to actively be unreasonable and antagonistic towards others over something that is so obviously a matter of personal preference and little else.

[RoaringRiot]

The only people who make a point to tell you they're not interested in something more than Game of Thrones haters is soccer haters. Clowns. 

[Paintballr]

3 hours ago, onmyown said:

Meh there’s an MLS team here. They’re slightly above average. Stadium isn’t too bad either, but there seems to be literally zero interest in it. I wonder how it financial keeps it going and expanding. Maybe other cities are different.

Who?

if you are talking about the Charlotte Independence then you are some what right. They are professional, but they aren’t great. They were 13th in their division and won 9 matches last season. I’ve gone to a few of their games and they are fun, but they hardly go over 2,000 fans in the Matthews sports complex. Once memorial stadium is redone they will move there. 
 

But I wouldn’t compare them to what would be a Tepper MLS team in terms of support and marketing and players etc

[Paintballr]

2 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

Because the people who brought soccer to the US had as one of their main goals to replace football. They thought football was barbaric and violent.

Their goal at Rainbow soccer which was probably the first big youth programs in the state was to convert all kids to soccer so football would die from the bottom up since there would be no developing players to feed into the high schools. This was in the early to mid seventies. It was about the same time they were trying to convert to the metric system and we had that famous road sign on 40 that gave distance to Durham and Raleigh in Kilometers. 

 

You realize Soccer has been in the US since the 1800’s right? 
 

I grew up playing soccer, but I’m also a huge Panthers and football fan. I’ve never once heard anyone when growing up while playing say the things you’ve said or have the motives you are claiming

[NAS]

I posted this because Tepper is going to bring us an MLS team.  I don’t know why people are so insecure about their love for american football.  I love the Panthers but I also love soccer.  I will definitely be first in line to buy season tickets and support another professional sports franchise in Charlotte. 

[1of10Charnatives]

18 minutes ago, Paintballr said:

You realize Soccer has been in the US since the 1800’s right? 
 

I grew up playing soccer, but I’m also a huge Panthers and football fan. I’ve never once heard anyone when growing up while playing say the things you’ve said or have the motives you are claiming

Pretty much this. I also played youth soccer from age 5 to til I started jr high. I never once heard anything along the lines of what you're saying. If someone had this agenda, it was a very small group of people and they quite obviously failed. Why would you continue to feel threatened by such a silly notion many years later when NFL popularity has done nothing but go through the roof and soccer is still out on the fringes as a pro league? If MLS becomes viable and popular I seirously doubt it will be at the expense of football. More likely baseball will fall apart as people realize there's an alternative to watching players so bored they talk to themselves while standing around in a field. (Hey batabatabatabatabatabata sa-wing bata)

*ducks incoming hot dogs and beer cups from baseball fans*

[run-run-pass-punt]

I truly don't know why some people get bent out of shape about soccer - like it's threatening to them or something. We all have things we don't care for in life, and most reasonable people have a reasonable response to those things - they don't pay attention to them.

And as for the claim that football players are better athletes than soccer players, I would say that's ridiculous. Can you imagine lineman running for 90 consecutive minutes. They'd be run right off the pitch 10 minutes into a contest, yet they are the heart and soul of a football team.

That is not intended to diminish NFL players in any way. They are different games, and different games require different attributes, different skills.

And for those who consider it boring, that's fine, but to suggest that it isn't deep, both from a tactical and athletic standpoint, do not understand the sport. If they truly understood it, they would realize the ridiculous nature of the suggestion. The level of finesse, teamwork, strategy, and athleticism to play the game of soccer well equals anything required from any team or individual in any other sport.

Personally, I appreciate various sports for what they are. Comparing them doesn't serve much of a point imo.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

Just not here.

 

What Are The Most Popular Sports In The World?

Rank	Sport	Estimated Global Following	Primary Sphere of Influence
1	Soccer (Association Football)	4.0 Billion	Globally
2	Cricket	2.5 Billion	UK and Commonwealth
3	Field Hockey	2 Billion	Europe, Africa, Asia, and Australia
4	Tennis	1 Billion	Globally
5	Volleyball	900 Million	Western Europe and North America
6	Table Tennis	875 Million	Globally
7	Basketball	825 Million	Globally
8	Baseball	500 Million	United States, Caribbean, and Japan
9	Rugby	475 Million	UK and Commonwealth
10	Golf	450 Million	Western Europe, East Asia, and North America

Two things blow my mind about this list:

Field hockey is the 3rd most popular sport in the world? Really? Holy poo I had no idea. I gotta get out more. Also I like volleyball, and who doesn't like watching athetic women in bikinis jump up and down in the sand, but I'm also very surprised vollleyball is that popular. Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. 

[davos]

LAFC games are amazing.  The league is on the up and up and think Charlotte having one would kick ass. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

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2 hours ago, Nesbro1 said:

Lol Soccer people always bring up the rest of the world argument. 

The rest of the world hasn't gone to the moon.

The rest of the world is less athletic on average than The United States.

The rest of the world loves soccer for 2 reasons.

Any human can play.

It costs zero money to play you just need a ball.

 

Football on the other hand at every level all the way down to 1st grade is played by the few. It requires not only skill but heart, toughness and courage that doesn't exist in soccer.

The greatest athletes on the planet are NFL players and it's not even close.

Man you really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about huh? 

No point in trying to educate you cause you are obviously stuck in your good ol’ boy, pickup truck ways. But if you hate it so much, move along to another thread. Because you are obviously in the massive minority.

Just because soccer wasn’t cool 25 years ago when you were hot poo in high school doesn’t mean it isn’t a great sport with the biggest world wide following. And if you want to throw out real number at me, I promise I can make your points look even more stupid than they already do.