Will Cam ever be mentioned in the same breath as...:

[332nd]

14 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

Lamar is pretty damn good right now.  That spin move he put in a couple weeks ago...

Yeah, but still...

[332nd]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we're talking about them at the same points in their careers, yes and no.

Ability wise? Yeah. But for his first two seasons Newton had a bad habit of starting off games extremely hot but fading as the game went on.

I always attributed that to the adjustment to the pro game, but you could make an argument that our coaching staff's poor halftime adjustments played an equal role.

(kinda doubt anybody'd argue Jackson is benefiting from better coaching than Newton had)

As to Jackson, good as he may be, he still isn't fully what he's gonna be yet. Hard to judge what you don't yet know.

Exactly.

[t96]

RGIII looked every bit as good his rookie year as Lamar has this year. Let’s pump the brakes a bit on him.

[RickyManningJr]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Mahomes and Cam can be mentioned together, the other cannot, at least not right now...

True, but I meant in the future.  Hopefully Cam proves everyone wrong and comes back stronger.

[332nd]

7 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

It is interesting that the Ravens are more willing to play to Lamar’s strengths than the Panthers ever were.  Seems to be the trend in the NFL now...the college style offenses.  A young Cam would have flourished in todays game.  Especially with the added protection for quarterbacks.  It is also interesting that they both have been dominant without a great supporting cast.  Mediocre receivers, decent running game and good defense behind them.

I'm really curious to see what their off-season looks like. If they wind up finding him some weapons & he keeps progressing, the NFL might be looking at New England south for 2-3 years.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, 332nd said:

I'm really curious to see what their off-season looks like. If they wind up finding him some weapons & he keeps progressing, the NFL might be looking at New England south for 2-3 years.

There's talk of course that someone will find a way to stop him and then things may change. I suppose that's possible, but not guaranteed.

Lotsa folks though Vick was unstoppable but between us and Monte Kiffin in Tampa we figured it out. For us, the addition of Thomas Davis was a big part of it.

[ellis]

Cam will always get substandard treatment from the folks at ESPN. It seems to be the narrative that works for them and it certainly moves the needle. They’ve turned him into a divisive, polarizing figure, when in real life he’s actually just a guy who plays good football and gives back.

They’ll build him up, just like they do with other guys, but the second they get a chance they will tear him to shreds. On the flipside, Newton is a resilient guy mentally and does a good job of ignoring the noise. 

So, you just have to know/accept that fact going into every season. It ain’t fair, but it is what it is.

[CRA]

4 hours ago, RickyManningJr said:

New question....was Cam as good as Lamar is right now at any point in his career?  

Yes.  They are very different runners.  I mean that just is what it is. 

But Lamar this entire season has been asked to be a comparable passer as RGIII was his breakout year.  Lamar isn’t being asked to make tough throws.  They don’t have to either. 

You go check what Cam was asked to do and then next time Lamar plays actually look at his throws he is asked to make all game. 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 hours ago, RickyManningJr said:

It is interesting that the Ravens are more willing to play to Lamar’s strengths than the Panthers ever were.  Seems to be the trend in the NFL now...the college style offenses.  A young Cam would have flourished in todays game.  Especially with the added protection for quarterbacks.  It is also interesting that they both have been dominant without a great supporting cast.  Mediocre receivers, decent running game and good defense behind them.

Such a simple concept and yet so hard for this coaching staff to do. Play to your QBs strengths...

[raz]

lamar is much much better at being 'real' and 'likable' in front of the camera than cam was. he's not mercurial like cam was.  he's a better runner.   he's the top rated passer from the pocket in the league.   he's top 5 in passing vs every type of coverage and pressure.    he's having a better year than cam did in '15 so far.  we'll see how it plays out.    he looks to be a better version of what cam was so far.  

[JB82887]

John Harbaugh is Jim’s brother (right? Lol).  Jim had Kaepernick.  Greg Roman was the O coordinator in SF for Jim/Kaepernick.  Greg Roman is now O coordinator for John/Lamar and is running the same concepts with similar skill position and blocking talent around him.  Lamar has a better skill set than Colin, but let’s see how long it takes people to key in on same concepts that shut down Colin at the end of 49er career.  Remember when Tyrann Mathieu publicly stated that Gabbert was better than Colin (once the league caught up to the system - source —> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article46493805.html). In no way, shape or form is Lamar being asked to carry the entire team and in no way is that team devoid of talent in ways our very own Cam had to. He is throwing to WIDE open targets a large majority of the time.  Again, love his ability as a weapon overall - only saying to be wary of jumping to conclusions based on such a small sample size. 

[BrianS]

6 hours ago, RickyManningJr said:

It is interesting that the Ravens are more willing to play to Lamar’s strengths than the Panthers ever were.  Seems to be the trend in the NFL now...the college style offenses.  A young Cam would have flourished in todays game.  Especially with the added protection for quarterbacks.  It is also interesting that they both have been dominant without a great supporting cast.  Mediocre receivers, decent running game and good defense behind them.

Pretty unfair to say that.  The year before we drafted Cam, how many Read Option plays did we run?  How many designed QB runs?

We certainly were willing to adjust our offense to play to Cam's strengths.  Could a different coaching staff, once Chud was gone, have done better with Cam?  Sure, probably.  How different would Cam's career have been with Norv as his OC since early on?  Fair to say it would have been pretty different.

I just can't say we didn't change our playbook to suit Cam, because we definitely did.

[PghPanther]

Challenging question which becomes how good do you have to be and for how long at the QB position in the NFL to be recognized as such?

Having one or two fantastic years?..........three?.......four?...........at what point does the accomplishments of the QB and their success translate to a HOF QB verses someone who end up being known as a flyer or flash in the pan?

I don't have that answer...........who does?

[ickmule]

Nope