Tepper's Vision For a New Stadium

[Daddy_Uncle]

6 minutes ago, Forty-Eight said:

What’s Tepper’s vision for a SUPER BOWL TEAM?

I think he has made it clear over and over that he wants this team to be a perennial super bowl team. Pay attention before saying stupid poo 

[4Corners]

38 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

 

I don't feel like its been an issue of late. But you still see empty seats between fanbases or even barriers. I think they have visitors sections in the PL kind of like you see in college football.

But yeah sometimes they get drunk and try to beat the snot out of each other...

Is racism as big of a problem in UK soccer as it is in Italy? Italian people, generally speaking, are extremely racist. 

[Happy Panther]

4 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Is racism as big of a problem in UK soccer as it is in Italy? Italian people, generally speaking, are extremely racist. 

I've always gotten the feeling that racism is a bigger issue in mainland Europe...could be wrong. But Italy has the reputation of being pretty racist...

[Happy Panther]

9 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Is racism as big of a problem in UK soccer as it is in Italy? Italian people, generally speaking, are extremely racist. 

Edited to add I went to school in the UK a really long time ago and racism against Pakistanis was the big thing at the  time. Pakis. I think immigrants are always an issue.

[45catfan]

2 hours ago, PanthersBigD said:

I grew up in Hickory Grove as well. Did you go to JT? I did and it was fine. I feel like I was prepared for high school just fine. Didn’t go to Garinger because I got into a diff magnet school, but the rest of my family did  and all did well in college.

Yeah, I went to JT  '87-'90.  I did fine and so did other kids, but it wasn't like it was a great school and that says more about parenting to me.  There were a fair share of kids that still got held back and still more that got pushed through.  Putting up 8 foot fences around the school didn't give me the warm and fuzzies.  Had a classmate shot in a drug deal gone wrong my 8th grade year just off campus.  Luckily he survived.  You must be somewhat younger, magnet schools were a topic of discussion as I was leaving Garinger.  However the idea of school choice was deemed racist because the school system couldn't forcibly mix the races and the notion white kids will go to better schools and black/minority kids would get stuck in the crappy schools.  

[PanthersBigD]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Yeah, I went to JT  '87-'90.  I did fine and so did other kids, but it wasn't like it was a great school and that says more about parenting to me.  There were a fair share of kids that still got held back and still more that got pushed through.  Putting up 8 foot fences around the school didn't give me the warm and fuzzies.  Had a classmate shot in a drug deal gone wrong my 8th grade year just off campus.  Luckily he survived.  You must be somewhat younger, magnet schools were a topic of discussion as I was leaving Garinger.  However the idea of school choice was deemed racist because the school system couldn't forcibly mix the races and the notion white kids will go to better schools and black/minority kids would get stuck in the crappy schools.  

Graduated high school in 95. First magnet graduating class in Charlotte. Local students didn’t have to leave for other schools so my class was a diverse mix. I’m really thankful I got to experience that before the transplants ruined it. 
Same shithead drug dealer types at JT/Garinger were at Independence and Providence. Likewise I know several Country Day grads that took a semester off for rehab. They didn’t get shot in their drug deals because they were stealing them from their parents or buying them from another rich kid.  It’s all perspective I guess. 

[Forty-Eight]

4 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

I think he has made it clear over and over that he wants this team to be a perennial super bowl team. Pay attention before saying stupid poo 

Give me a damn SB trophy before giving me a new fuggn stadium that is going to be empty or filled with Cowboys and Steelers fans. So u can pay attention before saying stupid poo

[Snake]

8 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Snake, please tell me you are aware that pro sports franchises themselves are the poster children for this very thing. They continually threaten to move to another city and or state if they are not granted ever greater tax breaks and subsidies as a bribe to stay. You cannot possibly be a sports fan and be ignorant of this. Heck, one of the main reasons NFL owners preferred for LA not to have an NFL franchise for so long was because it was highly useful as an obvious location to threaten to move to, allowing them to bully state and local governments into forking over tax dollars to them.

In regard to the expense of moving, it's a simple math equation and they will do it, have done it, and are doing it all the time. The tax savings accumulate year after year, the move is a one time expense. If the cost of moving is outweighed by the long term savings on taxes,  they do it. Charlotte is an ideal location for businesses for many reasons, but it depends on the business and the reasons. Banks locate here without question because of the pool of local talent in their field, but many medium sized manufacturing concerns have relocated to neighboring counties in the past generation because the lower taxes there are a bigger factor to them. This conversation very rapidly becomes a complex one with many factors, depending on the business, their industry and what matters to it.

Regardless, that is a side issue to the main point, which is that highly profitable private businesses should not be the beneficiary of public gifts, funding and tax breaks. If you can show me with solid supportable math that proves such gifts are a net positive and not a handout to private interests, i will change my position in a heartbeat. However, stadium funding supporters have been making this argument for literally generations and have yet to provide any such data to support their vague assertion, so until I see hard numbers, I'm not buying it.

You keep talking about math yet I've just explained exactly why your fantasies don't work with math to back it up. So let's try again. If state is still cheapy cheap, no movie move. 

[1of10Charnatives]

44 minutes ago, Snake said:

You keep talking about math yet I've just explained exactly why your fantasies don't work with math to back it up. So let's try again. If state is still cheapy cheap, no movie move. 

The fantasy is not on my end. Until you can demonstrate it with math, when it comes to taxes and economics, then it's a fantasy.  By the way, you never explained any such thing as why math won't work in regards to this, you just attempted to dismiss it. The fantasy is quite clearly not at my end. Prove it with numbers or you don't get my vote. It's really that simple.

I can have any position I want on matters of public policy, and my position is, I'm not in favor of subsidies to private businesses unless it can be clearly demonstrated with math why they would result in net positive cash flow to the state rather than a giveaway. I'm hardly the first person to hold this position, so please stop acting like I'm being unrealistic or demanding unreasonable things. 

If Tepper no mathy math, I'm not voting for the blingy bling, and that's no fantasy.

[thefuzz]

10 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

The fantasy is not on my end. Until you can demonstrate it with math, when it comes to taxes and economics, then it's a fantasy.  By the way, you never explained any such thing as why math won't work in regards to this, you just attempted to dismiss it. The fantasy is quite clearly not at my end. Prove it with numbers or you don't get my vote. It's really that simple.

I can have any position I want on matters of public policy, and my position is, I'm not in favor of subsidies to private businesses unless it can be clearly demonstrated with math why they would result in net positive cash flow to the state rather than a giveaway. I'm hardly the first person to hold this position, so please stop acting like I'm being unrealistic or demanding unreasonable things. 

If Tepper no mathy math, I'm not voting for the blingy bling, and that's no fantasy.

Agree 100%.

Until they can prove it is a net gain for the citizens, it's a hard no from me.

Worst part of this is, Charlotte residents, the ones who will benefit the most from a new stadium, won't be the ones footing the bill, but they will be the ones electing the city/county council that will vote on said measures.

At the end of the day, this just makes Charlotte a more expensive city to travel to, and the games more expensive, for those outside of the very close counties, to enjoy.

[Carl Spackler]

10 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Agree 100%.

Until they can prove it is a net gain for the citizens, it's a hard no from me.

Worst part of this is, Charlotte residents, the ones who will benefit the most from a new stadium, won't be the ones footing the bill, but they will be the ones electing the city/county council that will vote on said measures.

At the end of the day, this just makes Charlotte a more expensive city to travel to, and the games more expensive, for those outside of the very close counties, to enjoy.

I’m pretty sure it does more than make it a more expensive city to travel to. The point of it is to attract other things our current “less expensive” city can’t attract. I guess. 

[JARROD]

Great pitch for gorillas playing football and throwing poop at each other.

great idea!

[NAS]

Make the state pay for it, not the city. After all, it’s the Carolina Panthers.  Stick it to the free loading conservatives who love to enjoy big city amenities and stadiums but don’t want to pay taxes.