Rhule on Cam

[Mr. Scot]

40 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Here's the thing about this situation. I don't think the Panthers stance is any different than any other team in the league. I don't think any team would give a qb with Cam's injury history a 30 plus mill per year extension without knowing what they have. Thus I think if Cam's position truly is that he wants to be extended before playing again, he's probably SOL not just with us, but with anybody. That leaves him two choices that I can see, come back and see if he can prove his health and effectiveness next year, which will earn him a new contract whether it be with us or elsewhere, or retire. 

I don't think Cam needs the money, but I don't see him walking away from the game at this point. He could but I'd be surprised if he did.  I see him playing out the last year of his contract as the only path to continuing his career, whether that be with us or elsewhere.

The scenario you're describing is basically what happened with Steve Smith, but two years later we were in the Super Bowl and he never even got close.

And honestly, the same thing has happened with guys like Joe Montana, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice and numerous others. All their franchises survived.

Bottom line for me: If we wind up trading  or cutting Cam Newton, I'll be okay with it.

If we wind up keeping him on the final year of his deal as a "prove it" season, I'll be okay with that too, and also with whatever results that season yields.

The only scenario that I feel would be absolutely the wrong move right now would be doing any kind of extension, especially one for big money. That'd be the Jake Delhomme contract part two, and quite possibly worse.

(the fact that we inexplicably still employ the author of that contract does make me a tad nervous)

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://www.panthers.com/news/david-tepper-interview-transcript-ron-rivera-head-coach

"By the way, the last time I looked, there's three quarterbacks on this team. Kyle Allen, who you've seen a lot of, still young. Wil Grier, who hasn't been in yet, who we're developing in a very traditional way, who may be very good at some point, and Cam Newton. So, there's a lot of possibilities here for somebody to look at if they want to come here, and we're not weighed down by $36 million a year mistakes right now."

 

Pretty crystal clear how he feels about a mega contract in regards to building a team

Please don't ignore the entire quote.

Quote

"I don't know, because I haven't talked to that new coach yet. But listen, if I'm a coach, what will I look at? You may say that a coach is going to look for the best quarterback around, so that's where you're going with that question. Well, look, I mean, hopefully Cam's healthy. I frankly don't know, and neither does Cam right now. By the way, the last time I looked, there's three quarterbacks on this team. Kyle Allen, who you've seen a lot of, still young. Wil Grier, who hasn't been in yet, who we're developing in a very traditional way, who may be very good at some point, and Cam Newton. So, there's a lot of possibilities here for somebody to look at if they want to come here, and we're not weighed down by $36 million a year mistakes right now."

He clearly wants to make sure he is healthy before committing the money.

Tepper literally states "all options are on the table".  Paying Cam is an option.  Therefor, its on the table.

 

[mrcompletely11]

$36 million a year mistakes

5 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Please don't ignore the entire quote.

He clearly wants to make sure he is healthy before committing the money.

Tepper literally states "all options are on the table".  Paying Cam is an option.  Therefor, its on the table.

 

How do you explain the "$36 million a year mistakes" comment.  What is the "mistake" he is referring to?

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

How do you explain the "$36 million a year mistakes" comment.  What is the "mistake" he is referring to?

Paying Cam before knowing if he is healthy or not?

 

 

[(ATL'ien)CamNewton]

59 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Here's the thing about this situation. I don't think the Panthers stance is any different than any other team in the league. I don't think any team would give a qb with Cam's injury history a 30 plus mill per year extension without knowing what they have. Thus I think if Cam's position truly is that he wants to be extended before playing again, he's probably SOL not just with us, but with anybody. That leaves him two choices that I can see, come back and see if he can prove his health and effectiveness next year, which will earn him a new contract whether it be with us or elsewhere, or retire. 

I don't think Cam needs the money, but I don't see him walking away from the game at this point. He could but I'd be surprised if he did.  I see him playing out the last year of his contract as the only path to continuing his career, whether that be with us or elsewhere.

This sums it up beautifully.

[Shocker]

I agree lets wait and see if Cam can actually play again.  No need to ever pick a QB.  Cam will be fine.

[KaseKlosed]

On 1/24/2020 at 7:00 AM, chknwing said:

The draft picks carolina gets by trading him will help them win a superbowl.  : )

Stfu

[tiger7_88]

On 1/25/2020 at 1:41 PM, 1of10Charnatives said:

come back and see if he can prove his health and effectiveness next year, which will earn him a new contract whether it be with us or elsewhere, or retire

I just can't imagine how either side can't see that this is the RIGHT CHOICE for *both* sides.  Cam's current salary isn't a terrible burden on the team so if he's healthy, not bringing him back would be an INSANE choice by coaching/management.  On the flip side, if the team makes it clear that they want him back and Cam "holds out" thinking that another team is going to walk in and give him an insane contract that, also, is insanity.

The only wild card in this rationale is if there actually *is* an insane team prepared to offer Cam big, big money to play for them, no health questions asked.  I find it hard to believe that such a team exists but... how much is it worth to the "Las Vegas" Raiders to have a big time draw like Cam in their first year?  Could they be that team?  That's the only logical wild card I can come up with.

[jfra78]

36 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I just can't imagine how either side can't see that this is the RIGHT CHOICE for *both* sides.  Cam's current salary isn't a terrible burden on the team so if he's healthy, not bringing him back would be an INSANE choice by coaching/management.  On the flip side, if the team makes it clear that they want him back and Cam "holds out" thinking that another team is going to walk in and give him an insane contract that, also, is insanity.

The only wild card in this rationale is if there actually *is* an insane team prepared to offer Cam big, big money to play for them, no health questions asked.  I find it hard to believe that such a team exists but... how much is it worth to the "Las Vegas" Raiders to have a big time draw like Cam in their first year?  Could they be that team?  That's the only logical wild card I can come up with.

Holding out would be a huge mistake for Cam.  He needs to get on the field and prove that he still has it.  Plus holding out does nothing for Cam cause he would still be under contract with the team unless he plays 6 games.  The only way Cam is not on this team is if the Panthers want to move on from him.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

33 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I just can't imagine how either side can't see that this is the RIGHT CHOICE for *both* sides.  Cam's current salary isn't a terrible burden on the team so if he's healthy, not bringing him back would be an INSANE choice by coaching/management.  On the flip side, if the team makes it clear that they want him back and Cam "holds out" thinking that another team is going to walk in and give him an insane contract that, also, is insanity.

The only wild card in this rationale is if there actually *is* an insane team prepared to offer Cam big, big money to play for them, no health questions asked.  I find it hard to believe that such a team exists but... how much is it worth to the "Las Vegas" Raiders to have a big time draw like Cam in their first year?  Could they be that team?  That's the only logical wild card I can come up with.

Not only that but Cam has stated how much he wants to remain in Charlotte. It isnt hard to see all of the ties Cam has in the community. He loves playing here and I'm sure he understands the potential of our offense with Joe Brady calling the shots and CMC/Moore both coming off really good years. I dont think Cam holds out and I truly think he meant it when he said "THEY will have to get rid of me in order for me to leave" or something of that nature. Cam stays and plays on a prove it 1 year deal to see if this arrangement can work. If it does, sign him to an extension, and if it fails he will be gone next year and we will likely have a top 10 if not top 5 pick. I dont see why they'd do anything differently. Draft Oline/Dline in the first 3 rounds maybe bring in a FA or two along the Dline and shore up a few spots on the defense and the team isnt in too bad of shape to compete in the next year or two.

[Mr. Scot]

40 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I just can't imagine how either side can't see that this is the RIGHT CHOICE for *both* sides.  Cam's current salary isn't a terrible burden on the team so if he's healthy, not bringing him back would be an INSANE choice by coaching/management.  On the flip side, if the team makes it clear that they want him back and Cam "holds out" thinking that another team is going to walk in and give him an insane contract that, also, is insanity.

The only wild card in this rationale is if there actually *is* an insane team prepared to offer Cam big, big money to play for them, no health questions asked.  I find it hard to believe that such a team exists but... how much is it worth to the "Las Vegas" Raiders to have a big time draw like Cam in their first year?  Could they be that team?  That's the only logical wild card I can come up with.

Reports back around midseason were that "at least ten teams" were prepared to trade for Newton even while he was injured. Guess it depends on how seriously you take those reports.

I would say that I've found it best not to underestimate the ability of some team somewhere in the NFL to do something crazy. Johnny Manziel was drafted in the first round. A team traded a first round pick for Sam Bradford. Heck, we threw big money at Jake Delhomme after that disaster of a playoff game against the Cardinals and we're still paying the GM that made that dumbass move (among others).

Ya never know...

[rodeo]

i love how the head coach saying we're sticking with Cam spawns a 10 page thread about how we're for sure getting rid of Cam lol

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

11 minutes ago, rodeo said:

i love how the head coach saying we're sticking with Cam spawns a 10 page thread about how we're for sure getting rid of Cam lol

If there is a vague rumor with no sources, obviously its a fact.

If its a coach directly saying something, then we need to doubt it and deconstruct it.

People see into things what they want, regardless of how impartial they claim to be.

 

[uncfan888]

On 1/24/2020 at 3:32 PM, AggieLean said:

I’m going to have some fun on here if Cam goes nowhere. Got a few posters I’d want to @ and get their thoughts 

Almost time to @ them