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for $50 you can get a bidet attachment for your toilet from amazon.   its the best thing that ever happened.   takes 4 squares of toilet paper to pat yourself dry and you're completely clean.     its good for the earth as tp is generally made from virgin timber.   its good for when you eat too much hot sauce.    you won't believe you ever wiped the old way and you'll realize just how disgusting and inferior the old way is.    

and for the love of hot dogs you won't have to get up and clean yourself in the f'n shower if there is no tp to be found

to add i had roids popping up for a couple years.  with the squatty potty and a bidet attachment i haven't had one in 2 years no matter what i've lifted

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8 hours ago, Al Morgan said:

Also

https://www.thelocal.it/20200311/hospitals-are-overwhelmed-italian-doctors-describe-the-struggle-of-fighting-the-coronavirus-outbreak

And keep in mind, a lot of this is happening here, up north, where usually healthcare is way better than in other place of the country

 

thank you for the info bro.  and omfg i'm so sorry this is what's happening there.  this is terrifying.  folks saying its no big deal because you're young - what happens if you take a fall and get hurt and there are no hospital beds, no icu beds, and you need surgery.

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https://www.linkedin.com/content-guest/article/notes-from-ucsf-expert-panel-march-10-dr-jordan-shlain-m-d-/

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  • How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows.
  • We are moving from containment to care. 
  • We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different.
  • 40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.
  • [We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]  
  • The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu.
  • This assumes no drug is found effective and made available.
  • The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.]  
  • Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did
  • I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Good website.

Up to date stats, no spin from CNN, Fox, etc.

 

US death rate around 2.2 now.  Will change.

Most likely much lower because of thousands that might have it but think it just a cold or allergies.

Section about age, sex demographics is interesting.  As of the end of Feb, no child under the age of 9 has died due to illness.

Some things to note, the northern hemisphere is getting hammered so it could be presenting like a seasonal flu, could mean it is much better that we are in March than November.  Could also mean South America and Australia/Africa has a tough road ahead  https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

5000 deaths worldwide.

China getting over the craziness early on.  Seems it has a shelf life?  Hopefully.  Each country can learn from the other

 

 

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Lots of back and forth in this thread with the occasional political ax grinding, but overall, a much better discussion than the cesspool in the TB.

When a virus or flu comes your way and there are no developed vaccines, then your elderly populations will get hit hard.  They are the ones to get the flu shots every year and probably mitigates the losses we see.  But still lose from 20 to 50k each year from the flu even though we prepare.

So whether or not this virus is more powerful than the normal "flu" we see each season, we are definitely more unprotected.  Use your brain and not your emotions and look out for your grandparents.  They probably don't even understand fully what all is going on.

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2 hours ago, raz said:

for $50 you can get a bidet attachment for your toilet from amazon.   its the best thing that ever happened.   takes 4 squares of toilet paper to pat yourself dry and you're completely clean.     its good for the earth as tp is generally made from virgin timber.   its good for when you eat too much hot sauce.    you won't believe you ever wiped the old way and you'll realize just how disgusting and inferior the old way is.    

and for the love of hot dogs you won't have to get up and clean yourself in the f'n shower if there is no tp to be found

to add i had roids popping up for a couple years.  with the squatty potty and a bidet attachment i haven't had one in 2 years no matter what i've lifted

Yup already there. The amount you save on TP pays for the bidet quick as poo. Then you just continue to save money from there on out. 
 

im honestly surprised more Americans don’t have them in their homes. In Japan bidets are in public bathrooms.

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On 3/11/2020 at 10:29 PM, TheRed said:

Don't be ridiculous. If you have a family you should definitely not take any of this lightly.

The doctors that specialize in this type of thing said this not me. I'm sure they know a lot more than any of us do since they have been studying any outbreaks for years and how to deal with them in the time given to do so.

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9 minutes ago, GoPanthers123 said:

That’s 21 st century reality check. Can have AI, cloning animals, self driving cars, smart phones.  

Still can’t defeat one of simplest organisms, that’s directly threatening lives almost worldwide now.   So there.

Each has their own way of reacting to a new vaccine and the possibility to unsuccessfully work on them. So there is no way to even take out any organisms that easily. 

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Supposedly, there are 2 strains of the virus, an L strain which is much more aggressive, and an S strain which could be the one spreading.

The L strain causes people to be sick quickly and quarantined, therefore isolating it easier.  The S version just goes on and on because it does not present as quickly.

Again, this is just some of the info from China experience.

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5 hours ago, COV-2020 said:

Joe biden comes out against travel ban. Total senile fool. 

 

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So the travel ban is a good thing?  The UK has cases, and they also have Trump resorts.  Why were they excluded?   If you can explain that logic, I will appreciate it.  The travel ban does as much to prevent the spreading of the virus as building a wall helps reduce crime. The travel ban, if the answer, should have been implemented weeks ago if there was any evidence it works.  That is when Trump--the real senile old fool--was telling America that the Coronavirus is a Democrat hoax. 

Trump refused to reassemble the committee that protects the US from infectious diseases like this when he ran them off in 2018.  He refused to re-staff the committee when it was proposed in a bipartisan effort in November of last year.  He did nothing.  So tell me again about senile old fools--I am waiting.

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Just now, MHS831 said:

So the travel ban is a good thing?  The UK has cases, and they also have Trump resorts.  Why were they excluded?   If you can explain that logic, I will appreciate it.  The travel ban does as much to prevent the spreading of the virus as building a wall helps reduce crime. The travel ban, if the answer, should have been implemented weeks ago if there was any evidence it works.  That is when Trump--the real senile old fool--was telling America that the Coronavirus is a Democrat hoax. 

Trump refused to reassemble the committee that protects the US from infectious diseases like this when he ran them off in 2018.  He refused to re-staff the committee when it was proposed in a bipartisan effort in November of last year.  He did nothing.  So tell me again about senile old fools--I am waiting.

Tbox is around the corner, first cesspool on the right

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