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[Donald LaFell]

I think the team will stink but win a frustrating amount of games since the offense looks speedy. 

[Moo Daeng]

I'd certainly rather have Teddy be good and not have to hope Lawrence isn't a bust.

[Khyber53]

In 2020, the craziest year I've ever seen, I wouldn't bet on anything. Who knows what can and will happen?

For all I know we could walk away with the Lombardi due to Covid forfeitures.

I do know that any drafting will be done based on last year's on-field performances, and that is going to make for some very shaky ground for predicting good draft picks.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Khyber53 said:

In 2020, the craziest year I've ever seen, I wouldn't bet on anything. Who knows what can and will happen?

For all I know we could walk away with the Lombardi due to Covid forfeitures.

I do know that any drafting will be done based on last year's on-field performances, and that is going to make for some very shaky ground for predicting good draft picks.

It's also one less year of mileage on prospects. 

[AU-panther]

11 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

In 2020, the craziest year I've ever seen, I wouldn't bet on anything. Who knows what can and will happen?

For all I know we could walk away with the Lombardi due to Covid forfeitures.

I do know that any drafting will be done based on last year's on-field performances, and that is going to make for some very shaky ground for predicting good draft picks.

Its not like teams are that good at it anyway.  

[jfra78]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but what other real hope is there at this point? It's fun to hope that our merry band of young guys and journeymen is going to develop into New England dynasty but that isn't very likely. We are likely to find out we have a small core of highly talented guys to build around and the rest are largely JAG's or players that are going to be out of the league in 3-4 years.

Not really so much different than a typical bad NFL team but we willingly embarked on this venture, so some of it we just have to accept. We could also just as easily flounder along with 5-9 win seasons and never really accomplish much more than we have historically. I would rather eat poo big and have a chance at finding "the guy" than meander along in mediocrity forever and just hope we catch lightening in a bottle. 

But, of course, any time you are searching for a franchise QB, it's a crap shoot. I'm in the camp that just doesn't ever see Bridgewater being a franchise QB. He's been on multiple franchises that didn't see it(one obviously due to a horrific injury) and there aren't many stories of journeyman QB's that suddenly ascend to franchise QB status. 

So, if we have the number 1 or 2 pick I can agree it's time for a new QB and we should draft one.  Lawrence and Fields are worth the risk.  If we are picking that high it means Teddy probably got hurt. I can't see Teddy losing more games than Allen.  Last season the oline was worse and the Defense was full of me players and the rest checked out.  

But let's just say we are picking 4th.  The choice is Lance who was a true freshman at a FCS school or Micah Parsons.  Who do you pick?

[AU-panther]

17 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So, if we have the number 1 or 2 pick I can agree it's time for a new QB and we should draft one.  Lawrence and Fields are worth the risk.  If we are picking that high it means Teddy probably got hurt. I can't see Teddy losing more games than Allen.  Last season the oline was worse and the Defense was full of me players and the rest checked out.  

But let's just say we are picking 4th.  The choice is Lance who was a true freshman at a FCS school or Micah Parsons.  Who do you pick?

Lance in a heartbeat.

If you need a QB, then using a pick on a QB is always the smart move.

The QB position is exponentially more important than any position on the field.  That's not to say you draft a 3rd grade QB in the top 10, but if you think he is a first round talent you pick him in a heartbeat.

 

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Lance in a heartbeat.

If you need a QB, then using a pick on a QB is always the smart move.

The QB position is exponentially more important than any position on the field.  That's not to say you draft a 3rd grade QB in the top 10, but if you is a first round talent you pick him in a heartbeat.

 

Micah is a sure thing, Trey is boom or bust player with very little tape versus inferior competition.  Taking him could put our franchise back years

[kungfoodude]

25 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So, if we have the number 1 or 2 pick I can agree it's time for a new QB and we should draft one.  Lawrence and Fields are worth the risk.  If we are picking that high it means Teddy probably got hurt. I can't see Teddy losing more games than Allen.  Last season the oline was worse and the Defense was full of me players and the rest checked out.  

But let's just say we are picking 4th.  The choice is Lance who was a true freshman at a FCS school or Micah Parsons.  Who do you pick?

QB. You try to propel your franchise to being better and this is a QB driven league.

[AU-panther]

10 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Micah is a sure thing, Trey is boom or bust player with very little tape versus inferior competition.  Taking him could put our franchise back years

A good QB will add more wins to you your team than an ELITE player at any other position.

Not having a QB sets your franchise back more than anything.

Going 1/4 on first round picks over 4 years of picking QBs will help your franchise more than going 4/4 on picking all other positions over that same 4 year span.

Whether or not you think Trey is a worth a 1st round pick is a different discussion.  That is why I specified if you believe he has a first round grade on him.

Also if I decided there wasn't a worthy QB prospect at that point, I'm not convinced I would go with a off ball LB.  Especially if the top LT or WR is there.

Speaking of Lance?  have you actually watched him play, or are you just basing your opinion of him by the name on his jersey and his limited experience

From what I've read a lot of footballs people actually have him rated a lot closer to Trevor and Fields than the casual fan realizes.

 

 

[Basbear]

3-13 is what I have, they are not factoring in the late game against the saints when they are resting their starters. 

[CarolinaNCSU]

12 minutes ago, Basbear said:

3-13 is what I have, they are not factoring in the late game against the saints when they are resting their starters. 

I swear if we're in a position to get a top 3 pick then get a meaningless "feel good win" Week 17 against the resting Saints to drop to pick 5-6 or something I will lose it.  And now, I know this is exactly what's going to fuging happen. 

As for the OP, give me option 2 all day long this year.  Yes, everyone wants to win. Yes, we can all be homers.  Yes, in a perfect world Teddy Bridgewater magically becomes the answer. But this isn't the season to watch games with your heart and homer glasses on.  The brain says we need a franchise QB and need to bottom out this year to secure that. Trading up in this draft is going to cost a ton, and the idea of sitting pat with a top pick, grabbing a QB, and grabbing OL in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds sounds magical to me.  Tepper & Rhule said this would get ugly before it gets better, it's a multi-year plan, etc.  Signing Teddy Bridgewater to essentially a 2 year deal didn't change that, and if it did, add new owner and coach to the list of needs. 

[CarolinaNCSU]

24 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Speaking of Lance?  have you actually watched him play, or are you just basing your opinion of him by the name on his jersey and his limited experience

From what I've read a lot of footballs people actually have him rated a lot closer to Trevor and Fields than the casual fan realizes.

To support that, Daniel Jeremiah actually had Lance above both Fields and Lawrence a couple months ago.  For as boom/bust as he may be to some, there's at least one pretty respected guy who thinks he's more than legit. 

[jfra78]

38 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

A good QB will add more wins to you your team than an ELITE player at any other position.

Not having a QB sets your franchise back more than anything.

Going 1/4 on first round picks over 4 years of picking QBs will help your franchise more than going 4/4 on picking all other positions over that same 4 year span.

Whether or not you think Trey is a worth a 1st round pick is a different discussion.  That is why I specified if you believe he has a first round grade on him.

Also if I decided there wasn't a worthy QB prospect at that point, I'm not convinced I would go with a off ball LB.  Especially if the top LT or WR is there.

Speaking of Lance?  have you actually watched him play, or are you just basing your opinion of him by the name on his jersey and his limited experience

From what I've read a lot of footballs people actually have him rated a lot closer to Trevor and Fields than the casual fan realizes.

 

 

I would feel more comfortable picking him high if he played another year