Official Raiders at Panthers Gameday thread!

[mrcompletely11]

We got a head start for trevor.  Thanks Ron. Thanks minchew

[Davidson Deac II]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I want to see how Brady/Brees look around Week 10.

FIFY

[Guest numbaoneforevea]

4 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Ask the guy who brought up Cam and “nut huggers”

lots of players have that i know a lot of colts fans that switcher to broncos.

it aint a competition we all knew we were gonna suck

[Car123]

15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

So if he were 1 for 1 he should be a pro bowler?  Have you broken down the average per completion, Copernicus?  

 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

you're arguing right now predominantly with a group of people that like both QBs.  the mods have been taking out the troll posts from this thread.  there are plenty of other threads you can post your take in RE: cam vs teddy. 

Cam had a very good game.  He moved the ball when he needed to and protected it. Teddy did enough that we could have won the game, but our defense was garbage, and when it really mattered, the coaches took the ball out of his hands.

I'm happy with both their debuts.  I didn't expect us to win, or even be as competitive as we were, without preseason etc.

Not arguing--made statistical points that are the typical measures of a QB and was accused of "fake stats."  LOL.  Then I got, "Well you did not say...." to be honest, in the rating systems for today's performance, they were both around 100.  I am just saying that he cannot keep dropping his shoulder to plow over LBs at the goal line like he did today.  This is not madden or fantasy---you have to look long term.  So if you go back to 2016-2019, Cam had some great plays.  But he gets hurt running the ball.  So if he runs the ball, it is not ideal--wait until he has to bring a team from 12 back like Teddy did today.

[AggieLean]

1 minute ago, numbaoneforevea said:

lots of players have that i know a lot of colts fans that switcher to broncos.

it aint a competition we all knew we were gonna suck

Again, talk to the guy who brought up Cam.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

FIFY

Fair.

I always try to tell people not to read too much into the first drive of a game. The same should also apply to the first game of the season.

[mav1234]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Not arguing--made statistical points that are the typical measures of a QB and was accused of "fake stats."  LOL.  Then I got, "Well you did not say...." to be honest, in the rating systems for today's performance, they were both around 100.  I am just saying that he cannot keep dropping his shoulder to plow over LBs at the goal line like he did today.  This is not madden or fantasy---you have to look long term.  So if you go back to 2016-2019, Cam had some great plays.  But he gets hurt running the ball.  So if he runs the ball, it is not ideal--wait until he has to bring a team from 12 back like Teddy did today.

it is not "typical" to ignore Cam's TDs when discussing his games.  the only people to do that have an agenda to push.  As to injuries, Cam has has plenty of time to rest and this is his game.  It is about him playing now, not about "saving" himself for future seasons - and the reason is because if you look at Cam Newton's injury history, it was much less him running and more bad OL or extra effort (remember when KB gave up on a play and Cam got fuged for it?).  Cam's career as a Panther was cut short as much by not building what he really needed as it was anything else.

Teddy didn't bring the team back unfortunately, he fell short. Not his fault IMO.

[Guest numbaoneforevea]

3 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Again, talk to the guy who brought up Cam.

dont know see a lot

gonna be a lotta Ls this season 

[Davidson Deac II]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fair.

I always try to tell people not to read too much into the first drive of a game. The same should also apply to the first game of the season.

Oh I agree.  And I wouldn't be surprised if they keep Brady's deep throws to a minimum this year.  But it was a great throw.  

[PleaseCutStewart]

34 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I actually think several of our rookies had some good plays. DB swallowed the entire OL on many plays.  Pride early had a couple plays I thought.  Same with Chinn. 

I was not happy with any LB.  I also didn't really see much out of Burns, which was disappointing.  But I didn't expect much out of the D, so seeing some rookies have some nice plays... that was good.

Agreed that Brown did his job filling up the running lanes on his side. The problem is teams will just run away from him because of the many other holes we have on D.

Chinn played solid also. He made some good tackles and showed his quickness

[ickmule]

34 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Cam won despite playing with the worse set of offensive weapons in the NFL.

Still, against the worst team in the NFL.  If the full season is played NE will finish around .500 for the season.  

[Davidson Deac II]

5 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

it is not "typical" to ignore Cam's TDs when discussing his games.  the only people to do that have an agenda to push.  As to injuries, Cam has has plenty of time to rest and this is his game.  It is about him playing now, not about "saving" himself for future seasons - and the reason is because if you look at Cam Newton's injury history, it was much less him running and more bad OL or extra effort (remember when KB gave up on a play and Cam got fuged for it?).  Cam's career as a Panther was cut short as much by not building what he really needed as it was anything else.

Teddy didn't bring the team back unfortunately, he fell short. Not his fault IMO.

Regarding Cam, I read a little of the Patriots board today.  They liked his play for the most part, but they are concerned about his ability to remain healthy.  Apparently, the Pats used him today in much the same way that we did in 2015.  If accurate, I would also be very concerned about his ability to remain healthy.  That concern was likely a big part of why we released him.  

[mav1234]

Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

Regarding Cam, I read a little of the Patriots board today.  They liked his play for the most part, but they are concerned about his ability to remain healthy.  Apparently, the Pats used him today in much the same way that we did in 2015.  If accurate, I would be very concerned about his ability to remain healthy.  And that is a big part of why we released him.  

He may have gotten banged up in 2015, but remember we tried repeatedly to change how we were using him and his injuries happened regardless of that.