Odd man out?

[JawnyBlaze]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

If you go with Teddy, you need a stud OL, a stud TE, and a stable full of WRs.   We have 1 of those.

And an elite defense

[JawnyBlaze]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And a top 5 defense.

Hah you beat me to it, didn’t see your comment when I replied above this lol

[Varking]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

DJ Moore might be our most physically gifted WR. I feel like we are designing plays to get Samuel the ball and not doing the same for Moore who is just as dangerous with the ball in his hand. If we let DJ go, I have a feeling he will flourish in another system.

He would likely dominate. Two times this year Teddy had DJ heading to the end zone and he didn’t see him. He hits both those throws and you can had 150+ yards, 2 catches and 2 TDs to his stat line. He would look like an elite WR. 

[PantherPhann89]

Not long ago, so many here was talking about shipping Samuel off... #what kind of fans do we have here

[pantherclaw]

Samuel continues to takes most of his snaps from the slot. 

 

Not.much to debate here. 

[1of10Charnatives]

My take on this is that I think with no offseason and craptacular line play that leaves him scrambling on many plays, rare is the qb who would be able to consistently be productive with not two, but 3 different WR's half a season into joining the team. Give Teddy a more reliable pocket and time to throw and he may become better at locating DJ. If he does not, it may be that he's a 2 read and not a 3 read qb and that's one of his limitations. The ability to spread the ball around beyond a few primary options is one of the hallmarks of great qb play because of the pressure it puts on defenses. 

If over time Teddy proves he his able to do this, get the ball into the hands of more than 2 options consistently, especially once CMC is back in the mix as a receiver, it should be a mark in his favor. If he proves unable, it's part of the argument for seeking a different long term option. Half an unprecedented season in, I'm not ready to pronounce Teddy to DJ a bust. The guy is still very much on pace to have 1k yards receiving this year. Let's not overreact to a few quiet games.

[1of10Charnatives]

6 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Not long ago, so many here was talking about shipping Samuel off... #what kind of fans do we have here

Squirrel!

#shortattentionspaneasilydistracted

[Mage]

Curtis Samuel ain't even close to DJ Moore.

Imagine if Moore was lining up against the #3 corner every game and working inside.  No disrespect to Samuel, who has proven to be great in his role.  But he ain't DJ.  Obviously.

[Harbingers]

19 minutes ago, Mage said:

Curtis Samuel ain't even close to DJ Moore.

Imagine if Moore was lining up against the #3 corner every game and working inside.  No disrespect to Samuel, who has proven to be great in his role.  But he ain't DJ.  Obviously.

Brady tried that in the first few games and Moore somehow managed to drop everything. Now they are essentially just sending him on long developing routes every play, which is where he should be but then it falls back on Teddy+OL. Brady should really be utilizing him in the 15-20 yard range so teddy can hit him quicker and put him later in the progression or frankly just call his name more. Essentially, he only gets throws when his name was called in the huddle, which is a huge problem.

[Carl Spackler]

19 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

13th with a noodle armed QB that doesn’t look his way when he’s wide open. That’s ***** incredible. 

Teddy is really pissing me off with the “Ignore the open WR 30 yards downfield and dump it off to Samuel for 5 yards” poo. 

[Carl Spackler]

5 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Brady tried that in the first few games and Moore somehow managed to drop everything. Now they are essentially just sending him on long developing routes every play, which is where he should be but then it falls back on Teddy+OL. Brady should really be utilizing him in the 15-20 yard range so teddy can hit him quicker and put him later in the progression or frankly just call his name more. Essentially, he only gets throws when his name was called in the huddle, which is a huge problem.

He was 11th in the league in receiving yards after Week 3. For someone who “managed to drop everything” he must’ve gotten lucky a lot to catch 8 passes for 120 yards against TB. 

[Carl Spackler]

I think what annoys me most about Teddy, other than his abject refusal to throw to DJ, is that if it’s 3rd and anything more than 7, it’s a punt. He’s tossing an underneath route to Samuel or CMC that’s 3 yards past the line of scrimmage at most, or he’s taking off for 4 yards and it’s 4th and 3.

[Harbingers]

14 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

He was 11th in the league in receiving yards after Week 3. For someone who “managed to drop everything” he must’ve gotten lucky a lot to catch 8 passes for 120 yards against TB. 

The drops stand out way more than the catches. If you remember the first few games they had him almost exclusively in the slot. Im not ragging on him or Samuel.

35 catches out of 62 targets is tough both on the coaches and him. He's historically about 6-8% better.

[*FreeFua*]

19 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I think what annoys me most about Teddy, other than his abject refusal to throw to DJ, is that if it’s 3rd and anything more than 7, it’s a punt. He’s tossing an underneath route to Samuel or CMC that’s 3 yards past the line of scrimmage at most, or he’s taking off for 4 yards and it’s 4th and 3.

On 3rd downs with 7-9 yards to go...

23 plays (21 pass / 2 rush)

52.2% 1st down percentage