Greg Little just flopped on over to IR, ending his season

[bobcat91]

Greg Little was not a good college player, never developed into the player the recruiting sites fell in love with and was always going to be a bust. I said so at the time. My only mistake was I thought he would simply suck, not be one of the most injury prone players in the league. That was a terrible Hurney pick and the only thing that would have made this worse is if he had actually traded into the first for him. Cut his ass and be done with it. 

[Panthers8969]

Wow, y’all really want to cut a second round pick after 2 years? There’s a plethora of “late (can you even call it late?) bloomers” in the league. But yes, let’s give up on him so we can sign a backup ST guy that will barely play. Maybe he just sucks and we don’t resign him, but there’s zero reason to cut this man. Reward far outweighs the risk

[Panthers8969]

48 minutes ago, bobcat91 said:

Greg Little was not a good college player, never developed into the player the recruiting sites fell in love with and was always going to be a bust. I said so at the time. My only mistake was I thought he would simply suck, not be one of the most injury prone players in the league. That was a terrible Hurney pick and the only thing that would have made this worse is if he had actually traded into the first for him. Cut his ass and be done with it. 

He had the lowest %age of pressures allowed, better than andre dillard. Wasn’t good in college? This is revisionist 

[trueblade]

16 hours ago, bull123 said:

Is Vernon butler starting for buffalo?

 

16 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, and generally said to be playing well.

I attribute it to McDermott's coaching.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

Wow, y’all really want to cut a second round pick after 2 years? There’s a plethora of “late (can you even call it late?) bloomers” in the league. But yes, let’s give up on him so we can sign a backup ST guy that will barely play. Maybe he just sucks and we don’t resign him, but there’s zero reason to cut this man. Reward far outweighs the risk

I'm fine with bringing him to camp next year but I'd be shocked if he makes the roster. He's terrible and the current coaching staff had nothing to do with his selection. He's as good as gone. 

[Mr. Scot]

24 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

Wow, y’all really want to cut a second round pick after 2 years? There’s a plethora of “late (can you even call it late?) bloomers” in the league. But yes, let’s give up on him so we can sign a backup ST guy that will barely play. Maybe he just sucks and we don’t resign him, but there’s zero reason to cut this man. Reward far outweighs the risk

Should we have kept Jimmy Clausen around longer to see if he bloomed into a franchise quarterback?

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Should we have kept Jimmy Clausen around longer to see if he bloomed into a franchise quarterback?

Armanti Edwards just needed a few more years to show what he could be.  We just cut bait too soon apparently.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Armanti Edwards just needed a few more years to show what he could be.  We just cut bait too soon apparently.

That pick still to this day solidifies my believe that marty should have been quietly escorted off the premises and never heard from again.  Edwards was a dude we legit could have signed as an undrafted FA and we traded up for him to boot, unreal

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That pick still to this day solidifies my believe that marty should have been quietly escorted off the premises and never heard from again.  Edwards was a dude we legit could have signed as an undrafted FA and we traded up for him to boot, unreal

Would've loved to have had the video from the Pats' war room after we drafted Armanti with that pick they'd just traded us.

[MasterAwesome]

18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Word from people with insight has been that most of his better decisions come when he listens to the scouts, but he's known to get the occasional wild hair up his ass. Thus, there have been times when the scouting folks have had to talk him down from doing something crazy (wanting to draft Brad Kaaya for example, whom he later signed after letting go of Joe Webb; Kaaya didn't stick). Worth remembering too though that Marty hires and fires the scouts in that department.

But even when you're getting good info from the scouts, when the time comes to make a pick you generally have three or four viable options and you've got to pick the right one.

It's a lot easier to do that in Round One (especially with an higher pick) than it is in the later rounds.

Brad Kaaya?  You mean the dude in the 2017 NFL Draft when Hurney was unemployed?  That's the guy the scouts had to talk Hurney out of drafting while he was sitting at home on the couch?  You might want to re-evaluate those sources...they sound a little suspect.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Brad Kaaya?  You mean the dude in the 2017 NFL Draft when Hurney was unemployed?  That's the guy the scouts had to talk Hurney out of drafting while he was sitting at home on the couch?  You might want to re-evaluate those sources...they sound a little suspect.

The source in question said Marty talked up Kaaya, but that part may have come before he was hired back.

We did end up signing Kaaya and dumping Joe Webb though. And that was reportedly a Marty thing.

[theinstrumental]

18 hours ago, stbugs said:

We get $2.6M in space the next 2 years if he’s gone. You can find a backup tackle for  less than that who you don’t inactivate or a rookie tackle that you want to give a chance to get better.

Most of our current backup linemen make ~$1M. We'd save like $600K over two years after replacing him--about half of a minimum salary. Clearly the coaching staff knows whether or not he's actually developing and that'll be the deciding factor, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that a young, raw, cheap player is a completely lost cause. It's totally plausible that he could be back. Either way, the stakes are low enough that it's probably not going to matter much. 

[MasterAwesome]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The source in question said Marty talked up Kaaya, but that part may have come before he was hired back.

We did end up signing Kaaya and dumping Joe Webb though. And that was reportedly a Marty thing.

Talked him up how exactly...on his radio show or something?  Cause it sure as hell wasn't in any kind of meaningful official capacity, unless you think Dave Gettleman kept Hurney in some kind of shadow off-the-books advisory role throughout the 2017 draft process (lol).

You specifically said the scouts had to talk Hurney out of drafting Brad Kaaya (even though he was unemployed by the Panthers at the time).  Not only did you say it, but it was your go-to example that you conjured up to showcase how scouts have had to talk Hurney out of stupid things. 

I get that we're in an age of unprecedented reckless misinformation, but can we not deliberately try to contribute to that?  You're notorious for continuously alluding to vague, unverifiable "sources" who conveniently support every deeply rooted opinion you already believe to be true.  Although in this case, it was indeed verifiable...verifiably wrong. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Talked him up how exactly...on his radio show or something?  Cause it sure as hell wasn't in any kind of meaningful official capacity, unless you think Dave Gettleman kept Hurney in some kind of shadow off-the-books advisory role throughout the 2017 draft process (lol).

You specifically said the scouts had to talk Hurney out of drafting Brad Kaaya (even though he was unemployed by the Panthers at the time).  Not only did you say it, but it was your go-to example that you conjured up to showcase how scouts have had to talk Hurney out of stupid things. 

I get that we're in an age of unprecedented reckless misinformation, but can we not deliberately try to contribute to that?  You're notorious for continuously alluding to vague, unverifiable "sources" who conveniently support every deeply rooted opinion you already believe to be true.  Although in this case, it was indeed verifiable...verifiably wrong. 

With Kaaya specifically, probably on his radio show I would guess. As to the source, they were legit. I just got their information mixed up here. That's my fault, not theirs.

And if that were the only example, you might have a point.

Hurney having to be talked out of one of his hunches was something that happened multiple times. Times when he wasn't talked out of them we ended up with players like Armanti Edwards.

But again, if you want to talk up how you know better than everyone else and Marty Hurney is actually very good at his job, feel free.