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Does a game like tonight's change your opinion on trading up for Lawrence

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44 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Why is that funny? If TL is the QB god everyone is claiming then it should be a trade made without hesitation shouldn't it? Swap 1sts and a DROY candidate to replace Adams and the Panthers get Sunshine. Shouldn't be a hard choice, should it?

That would be the Jets' response to such an offer.

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53 minutes ago, t96 said:

2 recent examples... Chiefs traded a lot to get Mahomes, way bigger risk than for Lawrence in terms of how good of prospects they are coming out of college. Also, Rams traded a ton to get Goff... Been one of the most successful teams since, despite Goff not being even close to elite.

I'd say the Mahomes trade supports the idea it *might* be worth it, the Goff one, by your own admission, does not. How can it be worth it if the player doesn't become elite? By definition the team has succeeded despite, not because of Goff. With regards to the Mahomes trade, yes they did give up significant capital in a third and future first round pick, but I don't know that I'd characterize two extra picks as giving away the farm. I'd also point out that the Chiefs seem like a pretty good example of where a newly drafted qb comes into an ideal situation, since KC was already a talent laden high performing team BEFORE drafting Mahomes. He was never expected to be the franchises savoir, just take them to the next level, which he did.

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14 hours ago, t96 said:

Yes, it's ridiculously unlikely that Jets would even consider it as I doubt Lawrence snubs them like Eli did San Diego. But let's say that did happen and we'd have an opportunity to get Lawrence for a fair amount of draft capital. I would not have realistically considered it before tonight, but seeing the D start to come together and the O being wasted pretty much only because of Teddy, my mind has changed a bit. Place Lawrence on this team right now and we're a playoff team year in and year out. Wouldn't be easy to give up other draft capital that could still help to improve our D, OL, etc. but I think it's clear that QB is by far the most pressing need and it could be worth it if we had the opportunity to get a guy like Lawrence. Just pondering here...

We have no real draft capitol to even make any trade because the cost will be beyond our reach and be without needed draft picks in the future.

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1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If Lawrence did pull an Eli, and the price was our 1st and Chinn, would we do it? 

Absolutely not. Chinn can play 3 different positions on Defense and there is still a possibility Trevor might be a bust. You don't trade a stud like Chinn for someone who hasn't proved anything at the Pro level yet. Chinn is dominating in the league already and he didn't even get an off-season to prepare.

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2 minutes ago, Kuhndog94 said:

Absolutely not. Chinn can play 3 different positions on Defense and there is still a possibility Trevor might be a bust. You don't trade a stud like Chinn for someone who hasn't proved anything at the Pro level yet. Chinn is dominating in the league already and he didn't even get an off-season to prepare.

That's why I think it's not that crazy of an ask by the Jets if Lawrence pulls a Kobe and flat out refuses to play for them. I think Chinn could be up there with Reed or Polomalu. A top end safety is so hard to get and they lost Adams this offseason. Could this defense afford to lose Chinn? I dont think so. 

Everyone talks about having to give up picks to move up, but what if the Jets didnt want a pick but a proven player? 

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53 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I'd say the Mahomes trade supports the idea it *might* be worth it, the Goff one, by your own admission, does not. How can it be worth it if the player doesn't become elite? By definition the team has succeeded despite, not because of Goff. With regards to the Mahomes trade, yes they did give up significant capital in a third and future first round pick, but I don't know that I'd characterize two extra picks as giving away the farm. I'd also point out that the Chiefs seem like a pretty good example of where a newly drafted qb comes into an ideal situation, since KC was already a talent laden high performing team BEFORE drafting Mahomes. He was never expected to be the franchises savoir, just take them to the next level, which he did.

The Rams took a massive risk to trade up for Goff with the hope that he would become elite. He didn't become elite, and what happened to the rest of the team because they didn't have that draft capital? The rest of the team has still been amazing and they've had a ton of success with Goff. Lawrence is a wayyy better prospect than Goff ever was and has a much better chance of being elite. What the Goff trade shows though is that even if you make that trade and the QB doesn't become elite, it doesn't necessarily cripple the team at all. Goff is a franchise QB and has been good enough to run that offense and give that team consistent success. Lawrence could do that here too even if he doesn't become elite (and I think he will).

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2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I look at the top QBs like this:  They are all dangerously risky after Lawrence.  So trade back and take a few picks to build around a Trask or Mac Jones.  Imagine if we drafted a top LT (Leatherwood, Cosmi, etc.  and moved up to grab Jones or Trask at the end of the first round?  The fourth overall pick would bring enough value to do that.  So now you look at the QB at #4 vs. Jones or Trask/Cosmi or Leatherwood later. 

We could then add a free agent G and draft a TE early---this offense would be scary-in 2021--with Anderson, Moore, a good TE, a good OL--CMC---re-sign Moton--what?

I was saying the #4 with future 1s, 2s, 4s can be better than the #1.... even 4 vs 1, the 4th has proven to be better(oh god, i sound like the win meaningless crowd peeps).

4-5 gives you the pool of 4 QBs Sewell, thats key. If they land the 4th.....dont move unless its a Walker-like package. Notmally Im a draft down guy, but not if they have a top 4 pick this year. 

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