Huddle needs to stop crying about draft picks

[MGH1989]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

The chiefs got lucky. Reid admitted he didn’t think Mahomes was going to be this good.

Dumb luck is not a strategy we can rely on.

You entirely missed the point. The Chiefs were winning before Mahomes, somehow got a generational QB without tanking and they now continue to win at an even higher level. There is more than one way to get good. A top 3 pick doesn’t mean anything. The Jets just wasted Sam Darnold because their organizational structure is putrid.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, I don't mean to burst your bubble but this will be the 5th top 10 draft pick we have had in the past decade. We ARE that same team if you haven't noticed.

Bingo, bango, bongo. We don't agree on the Big 12, but we do on almost everything else. 

[Khyber53]

1. An NFL coach cannot throw a game without severe repercussions. Tanking is throwing a game. It can lead to league discipline that includes removal from the league, lifetime. One of the biggest reasons for this are gambling implications. Ask Pete Rose what that's like and how that lifetime in exile is feeling.

2. There are players on that field that are playing for their jobs, either with this team or the next one. If a team were told to lose, there is no locker room where the secret could be kept from getting out. A player attempting to throw a game would also be subject to league punishment, probably ending up with a lifetime ban. 

3. In our case, there are still evaluations going on of every player and every staff member from Rhule's coaching/support group. There are going to be some hard decisions to make about cuts and salary offers, and those can't be made if there isn't a competitive spirit in the game play and play calling. 

There are so many other reasons a team cannot and will not tank. There is a difference, however, between resting starters once you are secure in the playoffs and obviously throwing a game for draft position or other reasons. 

In short, don't expect us to just throw everything away next week, either. Teams are always playing to win and players who value their careers and futures are doing so as well. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

1. An NFL coach cannot throw a game without severe repercussions. Tanking is throwing a game. It can lead to league discipline that includes removal from the league, lifetime. One of the biggest reasons for this are gambling implications. Ask Pete Rose what that's like and how that lifetime in exile is feeling.

2. There are players on that field that are playing for their jobs, either with this team or the next one. If a team were told to lose, there is no locker room where the secret could be kept from getting out. A player attempting to throw a game would also be subject to league punishment, probably ending up with a lifetime ban. 

3. In our case, there are still evaluations going on of every player and every staff member from Rhule's coaching/support group. There are going to be some hard decisions to make about cuts and salary offers, and those can't be made if there isn't a competitive spirit in the game play and play calling. 

There are so many other reasons a team cannot and will not tank. There is a difference, however, between resting starters once you are secure in the playoffs and obviously throwing a game for draft position or other reasons. 

In short, don't expect us to just throw everything away next week, either. Teams are always playing to win and players who value their careers and futures are doing so as well. 

Agreed, Not so much the stars but the average player.  Plus no one is going to want to come to Carolina if the word gets out that if the season doesn't goes as it should that they'll throw games for draft position.

 

[GoobyPls]

Winning meaningless games at the end of the season for “Winning culture” is the biggest crock of sh*t ever made up. The Bears have been doing exactly that for the past years and all it does is keep them in nfl purgatory of mediocrity with a terrible QB.

[GEM]

If you even think about tanking. I don't want you on my team. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

You entirely missed the point. The Chiefs were winning before Mahomes, somehow got a generational QB without tanking and they now continue to win at an even higher level. There is more than one way to get good. A top 3 pick doesn’t mean anything. The Jets just wasted Sam Darnold because their organizational structure is putrid.

Did they waste him or was he just not the guy? Arizona doesn't seem to be wasting Kylar Murray. Houston is wasting Watson but it is very clear he is an elite QB. Herbert appears to be a future star on a very bad team. Is he being wasted? 

The argument I never buy about that is that all these guys end up having 2nd or 3rd chances elsewhere but they just further prove that they aren't the guy. Elite QB's don't grow on trees but if you never take a shot at them, you just simply aren't going to have one. Yes, whiffing on a first round QB always has long term consequences, because you not only miss out on another potential starting/core player but you put them into a position where they can do the maximum damage to the team. 

If you look at a lot of the top 10 QB's drafted over the past decade, you are going to see quite a few starting QB's in the NFL, a bunch of Super Bowl appearances, division titles, Pro Bowl appearances, MVP's(or close). There are really limited flameouts(Rosen, RGIII, Bortles, Gabbert, Locker). Even among those flameouts there is a Pro Bowl and multiple playoff appearances. 

I'd rather go down swinging while trying to actually win than rehashing one overpaid journeyman after the other. After all, the one thing most of those career journeymen have proven is that they AREN'T the guy. Why not gamble on someone who MIGHT be the guy?

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

1. An NFL coach cannot throw a game without severe repercussions. Tanking is throwing a game. It can lead to league discipline that includes removal from the league, lifetime. One of the biggest reasons for this are gambling implications. Ask Pete Rose what that's like and how that lifetime in exile is feeling.

2. There are players on that field that are playing for their jobs, either with this team or the next one. If a team were told to lose, there is no locker room where the secret could be kept from getting out. A player attempting to throw a game would also be subject to league punishment, probably ending up with a lifetime ban. 

3. In our case, there are still evaluations going on of every player and every staff member from Rhule's coaching/support group. There are going to be some hard decisions to make about cuts and salary offers, and those can't be made if there isn't a competitive spirit in the game play and play calling. 

There are so many other reasons a team cannot and will not tank. There is a difference, however, between resting starters once you are secure in the playoffs and obviously throwing a game for draft position or other reasons. 

In short, don't expect us to just throw everything away next week, either. Teams are always playing to win and players who value their careers and futures are doing so as well. 

I have said it numerous times, on field tanking is not real. It has probably never been real. Tanking is a front office thing. Tanking is jettisoning all your talent to obtain draft picks and setting the team up for failure. However, the coaches and players don't give a poo about those draft picks during the season nor should they.

 

I am not mad AT the Carolina Panthers for winning this game or trying to win. I am mad at Ron Rivera for being such a fugtard, shitbox head coach that he couldn't see what any fuging casual fan could have told him BEFORE THE GAME, that Dwayne Haskins is a fuging dumpster fire. He's been absolute poo this year and yet he still trots that assbag out there to throw the game. Typical Ron Rivera.

[Sir Purr]

Now wait a damn minute. Dwayne Haskins can't be a bad QB. He was taken in the top half of the first round! Those picks are sure fire, can't miss locks!  The Huddle told me so!

[TheCasillas]

37 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

Yes Rivera definitely knew what he was doing by letting Peyton hand him games to lose picks every year.    It worked out well for us.

Coaches, players, GMs, scouts, assistants, and staff get paid to win games. It is that simple. You lose, you lose your job.

I can't think of a team that has intentionally tanked. I am willing to explore that option if you can share one.

[TheCasillas]

14 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Winning meaningless games at the end of the season for “Winning culture” is the biggest crock of sh*t ever made up. The Bears have been doing exactly that for the past years and all it does is keep them in nfl purgatory of mediocrity with a terrible QB.

That is a bad Coach and GM, that has nothing to do with their wins. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Muh winning culture

Panther apologists said the same thing vs the useless Saints W in 2018. Still waiting on that culture

[TheCasillas]

36 minutes ago, Tbe said:

The chiefs got lucky. Reid admitted he didn’t think Mahomes was going to be this good.

Dumb luck is not a strategy we can rely on.

Lucky? How does scouting a player specifically to fit your offense, and it working out .... become "lucky?"

Another question: How many super bowl winning QBs were drafted in the top 5?

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Jets are definitely better suited for having a winning culture with adam gase since they won 2 games in a row. They are the next dynasty. Them winning two useless games after starting 0-13 is worth missing out on T Law