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I really feel it's probably the best option. Next year we will have a bigger cap and much more room. Bridgewater isn't a QB that's going to win you many games but right now we are not a team that really can afford to give up draft picks and stop progressing. 

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5 hours ago, joemac said:

"In on every deal" does not literally mean we will try to trade for every single player who comes available.  It simply means that we will not be shy making trades for positions of need that can upgrade our team.  Like, we're not going to try and trade for another QB if/when we land our new QB of the future.  We're probably not in the market for any WR's that come available via trade right now.  Use your heads, people.

Nobody said what you suggested.  How easy it must be to win arguments when you start with a fallacious and false interpretation of what someone said only for the purpose of making yourself seem smart.  Nice try. 

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10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Nobody said what you suggested.  How easy it must be to win arguments when you start with a fallacious and false interpretation of what someone said only for the purpose of making yourself seem smart.  Nice try. 

Well, you seemed to be having trouble with what the phrase "in on every deal" actually means - so I thought I would clear it up for you.

You're welcome.

Some people are so ungrateful....

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22 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I could live with giving up Donte but both Rhule and Fitterer have talked him up as part of the future.

I'd say they think more of him than I do. And of course it's their call.

I'm not so sure I would take what they say publicly about a player as a clear indication of what they truly think about that player.  Especially it meaning anything towards their future with the team.  It could be something as simple as talking up a player to increase his value potential to another team.  It is lying season in the NFL you know.

 

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52 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm not so sure I would take what they say publicly about a player as a clear indication of what they truly think about that player.  Especially it meaning anything towards their future with the team.  It could be something as simple as talking up a player to increase his value potential to another team.  It is lying season in the NFL you know.

 

I'd agree about Matt Rhule. I don't know that we have a read on Scott Fitterer yet.

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On 2/18/2021 at 9:19 PM, Jay Roosevelt said:

I'm curious as to what the armchair GM's here who are against trading for Watson think is going to happen if we continue to play it conservatively and just stock pile draft picks. How long do we wait before addressing QB?

Mac Jones at #8? Hope we're bad enough to get the #1 pick next year? Draft someone else in the 2nd or 3rd round or later and hope we get the next Russell Wilson or Tom Brady instead of the usual backup or washout teams get with QBs after the 1st round? Ride with Teddy until he's ready to retire?

The Rams haven't had a 1st round pick since 2016 and won't have one again until at least 2024, and yet since 2017 they're 43-21 with a Super Bowl appearance and will go into next season as a legitimate contender to get back there.

Despite what conventional wisdom may say, there are more ways than one to build a winner. To be so disliked by so many on this board, it seems Jerry Richardson's philosophy of team building remains in vogue with many people here. How many 1st rounders did Marty Hurney hit on? Pretty much ALL of them, and yet what did we really win during his tenure(s) as GM? One NFC title + 2 division titles in 15 years between his 2 stints as GM.

The Rams have done exactly the same since 2017 and they've done it without a single 1st round pick during that time.

Look, I'm as big a fan of CMC, D.J. Moore, Brian Burns, and Derrick Brown as anyone. We've had a great run of 1st round picks, but the truth is the value of a true elite franchise QB eclipses all four of those guys combined. That's not to say I'm advocating trading all of them as part of a Watson deal (you want to keep enough talent around him that you're not in a total rebuild on offense) but what I am saying is we could draft 3 players of comparable talent with our next 3 1st rounders and unless one of them is a top-tier franchise QB (let's be honest, QBs are always a crapshoot) then we'd still be worse off come 2023 than we would be with Deshaun Watson under center.

And that assumes we hit on our next 3 picks in the 1st round. Sure, they could all be CMC or Brian Burns, but they could also be Shaq Thompson and Vernon Butler. There's just no way of knowing what we'd be getting, but there is a way to land a franchise QB: trade for Deshaun Watson.

I'm sure we won't be the only team interested, but we MUST try and every signal the organization has sent this offseason indicates that we absolutely WILL try.

Draft is where my focus would be for improving the QB spot. I believe theres never been 4 QBs drafted before pick 8(i think it happens this yr/anyway...). Im just not dumb, pathetic, and desperate enough to move massive resources for a team that needs massive resources due to lack of talent. I dont want to move form 8 either, but if the price is right, say a 4th&future 3rd to move up a couple spots...maybe. Houston with similar talent went 4-12 with Watson and his 2 ACLs tears. I feel like most overlook these facts.

Going back to the "not dumb, pathetic, and desperate enough" part. This past draft had great examples of this. Bills traded a bunch of picks for Diggs and gave him more money. Viking took Justin Jefferson, whom looked like a young Jerry Rice while getting a rookie scale contract and control. Bills are happy with Diggs, but if they just didnt panic trade, could have had a stud rookie WR. The same thing happened with Indy and 49ers, Indy traded for Forester and made him the 2nd highest paid DT. 49ers took Kinlaw and he had a Brown like year. Panic lead to these moves. All teams are happy, but 100/100 Id take the rookie in each deal. 

Other QBs out other than Watson, for far cheaper cost. Minshew is worth a late rounder, Mitch is worth a cheap deal,  winston is out there too. Just bad timing given the current team to trade loads of resources for Watson/3rd overall. Ask me again in 2022 and depending on the team, I may change my mind. Panthers waaaaaay over performed this past year, dont drink the juice. Team still needs QB, WHOLE OL, LBs, CBs, TEs and depth at EVERY group. 

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