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Excluding Deshaun Watson & Zach Wilson...


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9 minutes ago, Aquemini said:

Watson has 2 torn ACL's in his career, no thanks. Zach Wilson has already had throwing shoulder surgery.

It could take years to find our next franchise QB and people here act like the next QB will be it .. it could take 7 or 8 next guys to find the franchise guy. 

You know, similar to the Panthers before 2011

ACL tears don't bother me anymore.  

Watson tore his ACL then suited up the next week to beat his rival.  Next two seasons he went to back to back Natty's and became the best player in college.  ACL didn't impact him.  Went to the NFL.  Tore his ACL his rookie year.  Then went on to be the NFL Watson.  

Look at TD.  Easily argue the best part of his career was post ACL injury.  ACLs happen.  They get fixed.   Players recover. 

Wilson's throwing shoulder surgery is a bigger worry than Watson's knee. 

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12 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I honestly think this will end up happening. Houston needs the picks more than it needs a disgruntled QB. They could get 2 and 23 and 34 THIS year. Not saying it works that way, but thats a lot of high end, low pay talent plus they get Zach Wilson. No brainer IMO.

Yeah of the two scenarios I mentioned, that's what I'm leaning towards happens.  At the end of the day, I don't think HOU wants to risk not getting their guy and landing pick 3.   NYJ have what they need, some defensive talent and the #2 pick in the draft, along with a few other tradable picks as well.

That's where the MIA pick suddenly becomes interesting.  Do we like Fields that much?  Is the trade up worth it?  That's the big move if there is one for us in the draft, a Fields trade up to #3 leaping ATL for a QB we want.

Now sure, like people are saying above me, don't be so sure/etc., but I just think teams will view this Zach Wilson kid higher.  

We can only make our best guesses and that's mine.  I just don't see us being complacent at QB anymore from everything I've heard w/Tepper. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Varking said:

Fields is still the #2 QB on my board. #3 overall. People dig into everything Fields does but excuse the concerns of Lance and Wilson at the same time. It’s just a matter of preference I guess. 
 

Lance has played one season of football in 3 years. And really it’s even crazier than that. He was at a high school that didn’t throw the ball. So he wasn’t really quarterbacking in high school. He goes to college and sits a year on the best team in their league. Then he plays one amazing year on the best team in his league and then he plays 30 passes in one game where he looked god awful on the best team in the league against lesser comp. But ignore real concerns and base his elite status off of one year.

 

Wilson played one mediocre team all year and looked pedestrian at best. They’ll excuse the entire season before that because he was playing hurt but won’t look at the two bad Fields games where half or 4/5 of the oline, the #1, 3, 4 and 5 pass catching options were missing. 

Fields has concerns as well but I just don’t understand why Fields is held to a much higher standard than the others. That Fields game against Clemson this past season? That’s the type of game that neither Wilson or Lance has ever had. Banged up against a championship caliber football team and he lit them up. 

It's less about how the looked in college and more about how the traits and skills transfer to the NFL. When Fields has struggled in the games I've watched, it's when he has to come off of his first read. That's gonna be a problem in the NFL. If he can't develop the ability to go through a progression he's not a starting NFL QB. It's not necessarily a crushing indictment though. Herbert was the same story at Oregon.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

It's less about how the looked in college and more about how the traits and skills transfer to the NFL. When Fields has struggled in the games I've watched, it's when he has to come off of his first read. That's gonna be a problem in the NFL. If he can't develop the ability to go through a progression he's not a starting NFL QB. It's not necessarily a crushing indictment though. Herbert was the same story at Oregon.

I won't lie, I thought Herbert looked Blaine Gabbertish and was really surprised by his play in LA. When I saw a few of his college games, I just didn't see a guy commanding the game but he really stepped up.

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1 minute ago, davos said:

I won't lie, I thought Herbert looked Blaine Gabbertish and was really surprised by his play in LA. When I saw a few of his college games, I just didn't see a guy commanding the game but he really stepped up.

He did. But it was all about that offensive system. It was painfully dumbed down and simplified. My concern with Herbert was that may have been due to his abilities or perceived abilities by the staff. Turns out, that's just their offense and now their starting QB is transferring. Probably because he doesn't want to keep running a HS offense and wants to show the NFL he can do more while also preparing himself to actually do more.

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's less about how the looked in college and more about how the traits and skills transfer to the NFL. When Fields has struggled in the games I've watched, it's when he has to come off of his first read. That's gonna be a problem in the NFL. If he can't develop the ability to go through a progression he's not a starting NFL QB. It's not necessarily a crushing indictment though. Herbert was the same story at Oregon.

This is the thing that has changed so much in the college game and caused so many issues with college QB's translating.  The college game has so many one read systems in it now that QB's there just don't get the chance to learn how to quickly work through a progression.  You really have to learn how to watch a college QB for traits without getting hung up in their statistics.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He did. But it was all about that offensive system. It was painfully dumbed down and simplified. My concern with Herbert was that may have been due to his abilities or perceived abilities by the staff. Turns out, that's just their offense and now their starting QB is transferring. Probably because he doesn't want to keep running a HS offense and wants to show the NFL he can do more while also preparing himself to actually do more.

True true.

I actually think there's a bit of intangibles missing in Herbert (even considering his good play).  This is where Fields actually has some toughness/win at all costs guts I like to see that's not in every prospect.  Sometimes you can just tell and his college playoff performances two years in a row really showed a lot in that respect.

This Zach kid seemed to be Manziel-ing & Favre-ing around with lesser competition whereas Fields would do what he had to do to get first and get that team downfield.  Was really throwing himself into it.

I just can't speak to Lance enough but I really like what I've seen in his interviews and he's built to play the game. 

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Here's a vid on Zach that I think explains well why people are falling for Zach even considering his comp.  Can't say I think he's the best but see the argument for #2:

 

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If Houston deals Watson, it will be to NYJ in most scenarios.  They will need a QB out of the deal, and #2 gives them one, #8 will not provide a starting QB.

The Dolphins will not trade for Watson or draft a QB.  think about it--they draft a guy #5 overall--ahead of Herbert--and he is on the surgeon's table. Then there is no OTA, no summer workouts for him, no preseason--and they are ready to move on from him?  No.  That would be stupid.  They will build around Tua. Hell, if the front office grabs another qb--they need to be fired while watching Herbert's highlight film.  Do they go with local boy Fields?  Doubt it.

Atlanta is more likely to draft a QB than Miami--and that would probably be dumb with the #4 pick unless WIlson is there--and he won't be. Atlanta has a ton of holes, a QB with some tread left on a bad contract--they trade back.  If  So Atlanta will trade back and draft a defensive player or two or three.

Who trades up?  Teams looking for a QB?  I would assume that Lawrence and Wilson are gone before Cincinnati picks, but I am not sure Lance or Fields is solid enough to get a team to trade away a ton to move up.  I expect Chase, Sewell, and maybe even Parsons or Pitts to slide into the top 10 at some point before the Panthers pick.  I would also assume Fields finds a landing spot in 1-7. 

So it comes down to this:  Who is desperate enough for a QB that they would trade capital enough to move up to #3, #4, or #5 for a QB?  You could guess Detroit, but they have Goff, so why not draft a few players to build the defense and give him a WR weapon?  Hard to imagine Chase or even Smith getting by this spot.  No QB--they need WR, DL, LB, DB, and then QB.  They could trade--the Lions would not be that expensive for a team like SF or NE to make a move-and I think Bill B. in NE is singing Cam's praises to smokescreen his intent.  

Will Philly go with Hurt?  Would they draft ANOTHER NDSU QB?  I think Hurt is thier guy for now.

So there will be trades, and nobody will know a thing until April 30.  I can tell you that the first two picks are Lawrence and Wilson.  Book it.

 

 

 

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I’m not sure which I prefer, Fields or Lance. Lance is more boom or bust. And I’m also not sure whether I’d prefer one of those two or trade a mid round pick for Darnold or something along those lines, draft well this year and prepare to be aggressive in the draft for a QB next year. I would be happy with pretty much any scenario that doesn’t include Bridgewater taking another snap for us. Except maybe Alex Smith. Not sure I’d be satisfied if we signed him. 

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6 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Im doubtful that we land a QB this draft. 

Im just hoping that Teddy makes a similar transition that Derek Carr made this past year. 

Yeah, I wouldn't hope too hard. Carr's worst year would be Teddy's best. Carr is just a lot better.

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I wouldn't hope too hard. Carr's worst year would be Teddy's best. Carr is just a lot better.

I get what you are saying but thats not entirely a fair comparison. Im not tied to Teddy, but if we dont get a QB, I would bet that Teddy is going to be much better this coming year than he was last year. And a few more plays from Teddy this past year would have shut the entire QB conversation down. 

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