Easy with the Pat Elflein takes

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

5 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

And you base your opinion off of?  Fitterer track record with the Panthers?

What makes you think they didn't do their due diligence in determining whether they wanted to sign these players.

If your going to express an opposite opinion why not back it up with some valid reason other than you are infatuated with Hurney. 

It's probably actually Hurney or chuck who knows. 

[Moo Daeng]

People are complaining about this?

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

People are complaining about this?

These guys blow their load too soon.  If they are like that with the ladies I can see why they are so cranky, they're not getting any.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Jon Snow

[Panthers Rhule]

1 hour ago, SmartyHurney4 said:

That's idiotic. It's called an opinion, that is definition of my say.

It's like the average IQ here is 84.

84? That's pretty smart isn't. I mean 84 out of a 100 is a B. I bet most of y'all even went to High School huh? Cool. I'm with the smart crowd!

[hepcat]

10 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

People are complaining about this?

last former vikings OL the Panthers signed was a trainwreck so yea I get that people aren't happy about this one. At least this one isn't going to financially cripple the team for the next 5 years.

[Moo Daeng]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

last former vikings OL the Panthers signed was a trainwreck so yea I get that people aren't happy about this one. At least this one isn't going to financially cripple the team for the next 5 years.

That's a really dumb critique even for the Huddle 

[hepcat]

Just now, Moo Daeng said:

That's a really dumb critique even for the Huddle 

so you like this signing? i'm not a fan of a guy that has a highlight reel of being destroyed by DTs but hell at least he wasn't too expensive

[ForJimmy]

23 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Why does this keep getting thrown out there as truth? We are paying them above average starter money. It’s around 65th-75th out of 160 starters on OL. That’s where $5M and $4.5M a year falls. It is above the median so above average starter money. That’s why I’m hopeful but definitely not positive on these guys. The OP was quoting 2017 pre draft info. That’s meaningless in 2021. Neither of these guys has ever been above average and they’ve played for 5 other teams now. Maybe it works out, but we definitely overpaid just like we did with Weatherly and others last year on the hope that they do better than they have. It’s also not good that combined they missed 19 games last year. We’ve blown a lot of money in 2019 and 2020 on players coming off missing more than half the year. 

You need to look at the guaranteed money. If they are getting the full extent of their contract (which isn’t anything crazy) then they are playing better than expected which makes them worth it. One was was 3 years with $6 million guaranteed?? That’s below average starter money. Cam Erving played mostly LT, so compare his salary to starts LTs and it should be fairly cheap. These are low risk (financially) young players who could have some potential, which is right up Rhule’s alley. The bonus is they can both play multiple positions which helps with depth and injuries. We were never going to sign the top tier players because we have too many holes. Rhule likes young players with potential which is what they are. If they had no injuries and played great they would be out of our price range.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

If you do that then you can’t spread it across years. Erving is $8M guaranteed over two years, $10M total. If we dump him after one year that’s $8M for one year. If we keep him both it’s $5M a year. Elflein was 3 years $13.5M with $6M guaranteed. Again, if he sucks we paid him $6M for one year. If he’s meh, maybe 2 years $9M (guessing without full contract) or 3 years $13.5M.

There’s no way to get to your $2M a year that you imply with $6M over three years. If we only pay Elflein $6M, then he’s only here for 1 year.

It’s above average starter money. Only 22 NFL guards average over $5M a year. That’s above average. We are locked in to pay Erving a minimum of $5M a year and most likely locked into paying Elflein at least $4M a year although his average is $4.5M.

If they start and play well then we did fine. If not, then it’s a Weatherly like mistake. It’s not a Kalil or Short level $11-13M a year mistake.

Also, I don’t think Erving will be LT (ugh), but if he is, he’d be the 22nd ranked average salary. Still starter money just cheaper, but he’s certainly not close to a top tackle.

That explains what will likely happen. 
 

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

If you do that then you can’t spread it across years. Erving is $8M guaranteed over two years, $10M total. If we dump him after one year that’s $8M for one year. If we keep him both it’s $5M a year. Elflein was 3 years $13.5M with $6M guaranteed. Again, if he sucks we paid him $6M for one year. If he’s meh, maybe 2 years $9M (guessing without full contract) or 3 years $13.5M.

There’s no way to get to your $2M a year that you imply with $6M over three years. If we only pay Elflein $6M, then he’s only here for 1 year.

It’s above average starter money. Only 22 NFL guards average over $5M a year. That’s above average. We are locked in to pay Erving a minimum of $5M a year and most likely locked into paying Elflein at least $4M a year although his average is $4.5M.

If they start and play well then we did fine. If not, then it’s a Weatherly like mistake. It’s not a Kalil or Short level $11-13M a year mistake.

Also, I don’t think Erving will be LT (ugh), but if he is, he’d be the 22nd ranked average salary. Still starter money just cheaper, but he’s certainly not close to a top tackle.

Not saying you are wrong, but how do you know how the contract is written? If these players don’t see much playing time, but are on the team as depth do they still get their full amount? A lot of these contracts need players to start and play in x amount of games to hit the full potential. If they are then they are more than likely earning their money. If Elfein stays on the team for 3 years as a veteran depth option but doesn’t play much is he making closer to his 6 guarantee or 13.5 total? Then throw in the most certain cap increase the next few years and I really don’t think it’s going to hurt us that bad. One of these two might be out next center who knows?

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

That explains what will likely happen. 
 

 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

 

  Do you hate the truth that much. That you are unable discuss or dispute.  Surely one of your previous alts had a pair. 

[mc52beast]

I’m old enough to remember when the Panthers signed an aging, previously injured LT... didn’t work out so well.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t think any vet is signing a deal with many incentives. 

To be fair, Newton signed a deal with a load of incentives (most of them unlikely to be achieved).

But generally speaking...