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Go on record. Who still wants Watson?


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I didn’t want him before the civil cases. The price to pay for him would kill the rebuild plus the cap the next few years would be painful especially for extending Burns, Moore, Anderson, etc.

Now it’s just a complete nightmare and no clue what the NFL is going to do. I mean what happens if the accusations turn out to be true and you are out a QB two 1st round picks and no telling how many 2nd and 3rds. Should run away as fast as they can. 

Everyone thinks trading future picks are a great idea until the draft comes around and their hands are in their pockets. 

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6 hours ago, YourLastThought said:

I dont understand how he could have been so foolish if true. He could have simply went clubbing and told them who he was while making it rain dollars then had his pick of a number of gold diggers to slam bam each evening. 

This is a great idea.  I mean, clubbing with THOTS during a pandemic worked out so well for Dwayne Haskins.

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10 hours ago, MGH1989 said:

Not really an answer lol. However, you seem to realize the gravity of OJ being civilly liable even though he was exonerated criminally. That doesn’t seem to fall under your notion that all civil suits are money grabs? So, I would say someone being found guilty of sexual misconduct for even a couple of three cases would be pretty bad.

 

Why wouldn’t you set a precedent of using a civil suit to make an employment decision? NFL teams have made employment decisions on a hell of a lot less. Some teams won’t even draft guys with “character issues,” even if they don’t involve any criminal activity. None of this has to be black and white. You make decisions based on the information you have. Right now the Panthers have no information. Trading for Watson right now would be a complete shot in the dark and an insanely stupid decision.

So OJ didn't pay out any money for losing that case?

As mentioned the standards for guilt are much lower in civil cases vs criminal. 

I wouldn't make any employment decisions on civil cases due to that. 

The panthers have the info that no criminal charges have been filed and are or should be aware of innocent until proven guilty. 

For elite players, teams bend the rules and are way more flexible with regards to character issues. 

As if I am an owner or a fan, I am just trying to win. I don't chore boys. So long as they have a clean criminal record and or did their time for past transgressions, I am good. 

 

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4 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

I didn’t want him before the civil cases. The price to pay for him would kill the rebuild plus the cap the next few years would be painful especially for extending Burns, Moore, Anderson, etc.

Now it’s just a complete nightmare and no clue what the NFL is going to do. I mean what happens if the accusations turn out to be true and you are out a QB two 1st round picks and no telling how many 2nd and 3rds. Should run away as fast as they can. 

Everyone thinks trading future picks are a great idea until the draft comes around and their hands are in their pockets. 

Dude we know wha the NFL will do. 

First off, losing a civil case or settling out of court doesn't make the accusations true. Hell, even people found guilty of criminal charges have been later found to have been innocent. 

Worst case is watson loses and or settles out of court (pays money) and the NFL suspends him for some games or at worst 1 season. 

AB had sexual civil cases against him recently and played and helped the Bucs win a title. 

 

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1 hour ago, Agent Blue said:

Worst case is watson loses and or settles out of court (pays money) and the NFL suspends him for some games or at worst 1 season.

Do you really believe that is the worst case?

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3 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Do you really believe that is the worst case?

For a civil case? Absolutely. 

AB who is in the negative limelight constantly was allowed to play during sexual assault civil case and helped TB win the title. 

No one cared/cares. 

DW has a way better record than AB. 

Do you have any similar cases to cite? ie elite player with a good image suddenly bombarded with civil accusations right at the time he should be getting traded. 

Hell we can use any at least decent player to have civil suits brought against them. What did the NFL do?

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8 hours ago, Wes21 said:

This is a great idea.  I mean, clubbing with THOTS during a pandemic worked out so well for Dwayne Haskins.

Watsons way worked out so much better though right? I'm just saying he could have played the club game rather than the pull your pecker out and shove it in a legit massage therapists face game. My point is if Watson wanted some strange he could have found it many ways "pandemic" or not.

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2 hours ago, Agent Blue said:

For a civil case? Absolutely. 

AB who is in the negative limelight constantly was allowed to play during sexual assault civil case and helped TB win the title. 

No one cared/cares. 

DW has a way better record than AB. 

Seems to the scenario you previously described would more likely be the best case...

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More lawsuits filed this weekend, total now 19.  Article now up on ESPN says one of those suits is now accusing DW of deleting IG texts and trying to settle out of court..this thing gets weirder by the day.  

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/first-hand-story-of-deshaun-watson-inappropriate-behavior-not-in-lawsuit

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When Mary books clients, she requires them to fill out an intake form, which stipulates that draping will be used during the session so that only the area being worked on will not be covered. (The Texas Commission of Licensing and Regulation adopted in February 2020 a requirement that genitals and the gluteal cleavage must be draped during massages; most licensed therapists already required this in their practice.) Since Watson’s appointment was set up through a third party, Mary’s understanding was that the other therapist would handle the paperwork, though she can’t say for certain whether Watson received or reviewed those rules. She used the oversize towel to drape him until about 45 minutes into the session, when she says he tossed the towel onto the floor, saying it was too itchy. Watson was lying face up on the table, naked and totally uncovered, something Mary says has never happened during any of her other massage appointments.

“I was in shock,” Mary says. She proceeded with the massage without the towel, knowing that her payment was coming from another therapist. “I trusted the therapist that referred him to me that nothing weird was going to happen.”

After 90 minutes, Watson asked to extend the session for another hour. She continued to work only on his quads, inner thighs and abdomen—the specific areas he requested. Watson developed an erection, she says, and also began clenching and slowly “thrusting the air.” Mary at first wondered whether his movements were a pain response to her deep-tissue work, so she asked whether he was O.K. She says he replied that he was fine and stopped thrusting for a short time.

Mary learned during her massage training that erections can develop as a relaxation response. She recalls situations in the past when that’s happened to a client while they dozed off; they usually become embarrassed when they realize it and start talking about something random to divert their thoughts. If that doesn’t work, she’ll sometimes switch to a more painful massage technique. But Watson’s behavior indicated to her that “his intentions were different.” She adds, “There was one point that he did tell me that I could move [his penis] if I needed to, and I just completely ignored him.” She took this as a suggestion to touch his exposed penis.

Watson stayed on his back for the entire session. While massaging his abdomen, Mary says she noticed “different fluids on his stomach.” She remembers questioning whether it was really pre-ejaculate, telling herself, This can’t be what I think it is. In the final five to 10 minutes of the session, Mary says Watson began thrusting his pelvis in the air again, this time much faster. “At that point, I recognized it for what it was,” Mary says. She says she told him he needed to “calm down.” He stopped, the session ended and she left the room to let him get dressed. When she returned, he gave her a hug. Because of his request to use the back entrance, she then had to walk him out of the building.

Mary says she immediately told the other massage therapist who had referred Watson to her everything that had happened; she remembers the other therapist telling her she would talk to Watson. Mary also called a family member directly following the session. SI spoke to this relative, who remembers taking Mary’s call that afternoon at a stoplight at a specific intersection in Houston. The relative’s account of what Mary told her then aligns with Mary’s description of the incident now; she also recalls Mary’s shock and disbelief that day, as she described what she believed to be the pre-ejaculatory fluid on his stomach and his suggestion for her to touch and move his penis. They were both stunned that she and the business she’d worked hard to build had been disrespected in this way.

Watson reached out to both Mary and the referring therapist the day after his appointment, asking to book with her again. Mary says she told him, via text, that she was not available. In the following months, she says she heard from Watson twice more, via Instagram direct message. Each time he did not seem to realize that he’d previously booked with her. SI reviewed these messages, sent from Watson’s verified Instagram account, as part of the process to corroborate Mary’s account.

The first follow-up was a few weeks later, via direct message to the Instagram page for Mary’s business. Watson said a mutual friend had told him to reach out about booking a massage. Mary told him they had worked together before, and he made her feel uncomfortable then. She had reservations, but recognizing that he could be an important client for her growing business, she told him she could work with him again if he could be respectful. She also made clear to him, in one message, “I just do massage,” followed by the upside-down smiley face emoji. Watson replied, “Oh gotcha, sorry there were no intentions for anything more.” He did not book an appointment.

The last time Mary heard from him was in the fall of 2020. This time, Watson DM’ed her personal Instagram account, replying to a post in which she’d made an announcement about her business and congratulating her. He then asked whether she had any availability for a massage. Mary was again unsure whether he realized who she was, so she screenshotted and sent the conversation they’d had on her business account. She reiterated to him that she runs a professional business that requires full-sheet draping, and, if he could abide by those policies, he was welcome to book with her. She says he replied to her positively and liked one of her messages. He did not book that time, either. Mary says she has had no contact with Watson or his camp since this last exchange.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...That's bad, especially given that SI reached out to her without even knowing that she had ever worked with Watson.

This will be a fun thread to go back through. 👀

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