PFF grade on throws past first read since 2019

[Moo Daeng]

9 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Because 3% is drastically different?

Because of his entire  resume. 

Edited April 5, 2021 by Moo Daeng

[t96]

25 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

still boggles the mind that people could have Lance over Fields

Yeah, let alone Mac fuging Jones... I'm taking Fields over anyone in this draft not named Trevor Lawrence, and it's really not even close to me. I really really like Wilson and Lance too, but Fields is clearly above them. I can't believe that it's actually possible that we can get Fields with 3 QBs going ahead of him...

[Riverboat Ron]

7 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

 

That will get you put in the Tinderbox.  I shared a similar article that also showed fields’ offensive plays and where his reads were...now in Tinderbox

I know, but it's honestly the underlying narrative they've had since Cam Newton. I'm just tired of how horrible the analysis of QB's is.

[Varking]

5 minutes ago, t96 said:

Yeah, let alone Mac fuging Jones... I'm taking Fields over anyone in this draft not named Trevor Lawrence, and it's really not even close to me. I really really like Wilson and Lance too, but Fields is clearly above them. I can't believe that it's actually possible that we can get Fields with 3 QBs going ahead of him...

I’m with you 100%. If he’s on the board we take him. A lot of teams make poor calls when drafting a QB. We don’t need to overthink this. 

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

https://www.facebook.com/297103346261/posts/10157574656686262/

PFF grade on throws past 1st read since 2019: (min. 60 attempts)

1st - Justin Fields - 90.6
2nd - Zach Wilson - 90.1
3rd - Trey Lance - 87.2
...
7th - Trevor Lawrence - 78.6
8th - Mac Jones - 75.7

 

The narrative around Justin Fields not working hard and not being a smart player is beginning to wander into Tinderbox territory, but it is the narrative around him that is developing.  It is depressing that such a false narrative persists, and it is so easy to dispel with even a minor amount of effort.

[Moo Daeng]

And it's not that I hate Lance but I cant see how an objective look has him in the vicinity of Fields. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It has been weird to me how so many are criticizing Fields for not being able to go past his first read when that's all I saw from Mac Jones. In the games I watched, seems like he never made it past his first read 90% of the time. Then again, when your 1st read is often the Heisman winning WR, well...

Great post!!!!!!!

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

The narrative around Justin Fields not working hard and not being a smart player is beginning to wander into Tinderbox territory, but it is the narrative around him that is developing.  It is depressing that such a false narrative persists, and it is so easy to dispel with even a minor amount of effort.

Its lying season. It's not unheard of for teams to try to smear prospects they like  leading up to the draft in a desperate effort to get them to fall.

[Sgt Schultz]

Like all stats, in a vacuum it does not say a lot.  That said, scoring well on it is certainly an asset and disproves the one-read concern for Fields. 

I've always been skeptical of OSU QBs (and some other big schools that are juggernauts in their conferences, or in Notre Dame's case, with no conference), but Fields has a different look to him than his predecessors.  I didn't see a lot of him, but when I did he showed me more skills that I think translate to an NFL QB than those who preceded him and fell on their faces.  This is an over-simplification, but he has shown to be more of a passer than a thrower.  I think this stat tends to bear that out.  At this point, I'm no more skeptical of his chances than I am any other first round QB, and maybe less so.

IMO, if Fields, Sewell, and/or Slater are available when we pick, somebody has a tough decision to make.  I'd be good with any one of them strapping on a Panthers' helmet.  I am assuming Lawrence and Wilson are off the board by then, and those three would have me wringing my hands as each team above us makes their selection.

[kass]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

https://www.facebook.com/297103346261/posts/10157574656686262/

PFF grade on throws past 1st read since 2019: (min. 60 attempts)

1st - Justin Fields - 90.6
2nd - Zach Wilson - 90.1
3rd - Trey Lance - 87.2
...
7th - Trevor Lawrence - 78.6
8th - Mac Jones - 75.7

 

First thing. I like Fields. I think he shows promise. 

 

What does this really show? Could be. First read, no, ok go check down and not going through all the reads. Or even start running. Would be more interesting if it was after second or third read.

And what if the QB starts running.. 

This does not really say anything with context and more statistics. Do they have a more detailed description of what this is suppose to mean? 

Edited April 5, 2021 by kass
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[Moo Daeng]

1 minute ago, kass said:

First thing. I like Fields. I think he shows promise. 

 

What does this really show? Could be. First read, no, ok go check down and not going through all the reads. Or even start running. Would be more interesting if it was after second or third read.

And what if the QB starts running.. 

This does not really say anything with context and more statistics. Do they have a more detailed description of what this is suppose to mean? 

It's a counter to the argument that he is a one read QB

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Like all stats, in a vacuum it does not say a lot.  That said, scoring well on it is certainly an asset and disproves the one-read concern for Fields. 

I've always been skeptical of OSU QBs (and some other big schools that are juggernauts in their conferences, or in Notre Dame's case, with no conference), but Fields has a different look to him than his predecessors.  I didn't see a lot of him, but when I did he showed me more skills that I think translate to an NFL QB than those who preceded him and fell on their faces.  This is an over-simplification, but he has shown to be more of a passer than a thrower.  I think this stat tends to bear that out.  At this point, I'm no more skeptical of his chances than I am any other first round QB, and maybe less so.

IMO, if Fields, Sewell, and/or Slater are available when we pick, somebody has a tough decision to make.  I'd be good with any one of them strapping on a Panthers' helmet.  I am assuming Lawrence and Wilson are off the board by then, and those three would have me wringing my hands as each team above us makes their selection.

Just my opinion, but honestly Fields would be the slam dunk #1 QB in most other draft classes. This is just the best QB draft class in a loooooong time.

[kass]

Just now, Moo Daeng said:

It's a counter to the argument that he is a one read QB

If they grade his throws and exclude his run after first read. It does not. Thats why I want the description. 

Or did I read it wrong. Is it that he throws 90% aftrr his recond read? 

[Varking]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Just my opinion, but honestly Fields would be the slam dunk #1 QB in most other draft classes. This is just the best QB draft class in a loooooong time.

I agree with this opinion. And a part of me thinks that around year 3-4 he might be the best QB in this class regardless. Just not drafted first.