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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

I think with Trevor and Fields you have two very highly recruited High School QBs that fully lived up to expectations in college and had multiple years of success against top teams. Throw in their arm talent and intelligence and they seem like safer picks than most IMO. 

IMO, in terms of pure arm talent, this class goes:

Wilson

Fields

 

 

Lawrence

 

 

 

 

Jones 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Don't get me wrong, Lawrence has a good arm and it's not a red flag in the least, but Wilson and Fields both have very good arms.

 

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

IMO, in terms of pure arm talent, this class goes:

Wilson

Fields

 

 

Lawrence

 

 

 

 

Jones 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trask

Don't get me wrong, Lawrence has a good arm and it's not a red flag in the least, but Wilson and Fields both have very good arms.

 

Trevor is more like a QB robot.  Kinda like Peyton Manning if you gave him some decent wheels.   Not saying that is what he will be, but that kinda is the mold.  Easily the highest floor of the group. 

Zach Wilson has a crazy arm.  No doubt.  I think he probably will make some of the worst decisions with the ball though if ranked with that group. 

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

IMO, in terms of pure arm talent, this class goes:

Wilson

Fields

 

 

Lawrence

 

 

 

 

Jones 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trask

Don't get me wrong, Lawrence has a good arm and it's not a red flag in the least, but Wilson and Fields both have very good arms.

 

Yeah, but to me Wilson only had one year of great success, weaker competition, and an injury to his throwing shoulder. 

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I think Trey Lance is gonna be the best qb from this draft class. Especially going to that 49ers team with Shanahan. Arguably the best spot he could’ve landed in. A lot of this stuff has to do with situations the qbs are drafted.
 

I honestly expect an Andrew luck in Indy situation with Lawrence. I think he retires early. I think Wilson is gonna bust but only because of the Jets org. It’s a toss up with fields. That bears org cannot develop qbs and have terrible offenses but I think he’s special. Maybe a cam type situation there plays out. 

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3 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

You know I was just thinking about this.  Unitas (My Hero when I was young) was from Louisville and one of the greatest.  Great point about Staubach. 

Schools make no difference.  There isn't a QB University.

Thanks for posting this.  

IIRC Unitas was cut by the Steelers and was on a semi-pro team when Baltimore got him

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1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

I think Trey Lance is gonna be the best qb from this draft class. Especially going to that 49ers team with Shanahan. Arguably the best spot he could’ve landed in. A lot of this stuff has to do with situations the qbs are drafted.
 

I honestly expect an Andrew luck in Indy situation with Lawrence. I think he retires early. I think Wilson is gonna bust but only because of the Jets org. It’s a toss up with fields. That bears org cannot develop qbs and have terrible offenses but I think he’s special. Maybe a cam type situation there plays out. 

I mean, you toss Lance and Fields out there day 1.....and there teams will have more wins than Trevor's team this season.  No doubt about that.  Both those teams can push .500 with basically getting little from the QB spot.  

I don't think you can judge a QB by that.  I fully expect Lawrence and Wilson to have loosing seasons and a lot of picks.  There teams will be playing from behind and they don't have the weapons to make that easy on a young QB.  

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27 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, you toss Lance and Fields out there day 1.....and there teams will have more wins than Trevor's team this season.  No doubt about that.  Both those teams can push .500 with basically getting little from the QB spot.  

I don't think you can judge a QB by that.  I fully expect Lawrence and Wilson to have loosing seasons and a lot of picks.  There teams will be playing from behind and they don't have the weapons to make that easy on a young QB.  

That’s basically what I was saying about depends on where you land. But I think Lance is going to end up being the best of the bunch long term. But that’s just my guess doesn’t mean anything.

I think Trevor enjoys football but doesn’t love it. I see him exiting early.

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5 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

That’s basically what I was saying about depends on where you land. But I think Lance is going to end up being the best of the bunch long term. But that’s just my guess doesn’t mean anything.

I think Trevor enjoys football but doesn’t love it. I see him exiting early.

I agree that there will be a lot more Lucks and Lukes going forward.  High draft picks that get that first big contract.....and decide the smart move is not trash your body by maxing it out in the NFL. 

My money has is still on Trevor and Fields out of this draft.   I've never really bought in on the rest of them.  They all have bigger question marks to me.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Little Goody Two Shoes said:

Or does this just make it easier to evaluate those who come from a 'pro' system? Just because they didn't do it in college, doesn't mean they can't. Yes, they may have an advantage getting acclimated but it ultimately comes down to the player's ability.

Fields is a little different in my opinion because the 3 qb’s before him all looked like heisman finalists in that system and flamed out atrociously in the nfl.  

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33 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

Fields is a little different in my opinion because the 3 qb’s before him all looked like heisman finalists in that system and flamed out atrociously in the nfl.  

Jones and Barnett were highly criticized about their passing ability while in college though.   Just like some of Urban's FL boys.  Nice stats.  Wins.  But not good passers. 

That was never Fields.  Who outplayed Lawrence twice head to head in the college playoffs and probably the most accurate QB in this draft. 

Haskins was a good passer.  Not a runner like everyone else. But only had 1 college season to name and then went to a NFL team whose coaches (2) didn't want him.   But the little we saw of him wasn't good at all.  But talk about a bad landing. 

 

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It is a backwards way to look at it though.   Some systems and teams are notorious for making average qbs look above average.  That has to be factored in as well.  Maybe which colleges produced the most highly touted prospects coming out of college that ended up being busts.  Any college can randomly hit on a good qb eventually.   The question is do some college routinely make their qb look better than they will be at the next level.

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