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Bill Barnwell ranks the Panthers offseason as 7th worst

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6 hours ago, Madwolf said:

To us, yes. When we talk about national evaluation of this off-season after this year, it will take into account how Fields and Bridgewater played compared to Darnold in the 2021 season.

Darnold can play better than 1, both, or neither and still have a good season. But people will judge if it was the "right move" from the outside looking in based on how they do compared to each other. Fields can win ROTY, and beat out Darnold statistically, but the Panthers could also go 11-6 and earn a playoff birth with Darnold putting up solid numbers and it still be a win for the Panthers.

Of course.    I'm not disputing that.

I'm just talking as a fan that will only concern himself with how the QB on my team does and not what other QBs on other teams do.   

Fields and Teddy do not exist as far as I'm concerned.

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The thing about the Huddle is that it can sometimes become a bit of an echo chamber. Darnold has looked like poop for a long time, and it's a long-shot that he pans out. But what can happen on the Huddle is fans keep talking him up and pooping anyone who doesn't agree so much that we start thinking the offseason was a grand slam. The offseason was either a home run, or a disaster depending all on Darnold. It's all resting on Darnold, and he's a long-shot. If Darnold flops, then the entire 2021 season is wiped out. We get nothing but a bad season. That is a disaster.

Horn, the other pieces, trading down, none of that matters at all if Darnold is bad. We will get slaughtered if Darnold blows like he has his entire pro career. Horn and the other draft picks won't do anything to stop a losing 2021 season if Darnold is a bust.

Instead of having Fileds as a backup plan, we are locked into a big contract with Darnold. So Darnold not only has the potential to make 2021 a wasted season, but he can hurt our cap in 2022. 

Was the offseason a huge disaster, or a home-run? The scary part is we have no clue. No idea. It's ALL riding on Darnold. If he flops, then 2021 is gone down the toilet, and 2022 will be in jeopardy of being terrible as well. 

What do I think? I'm on the hot seat and I have to make a prediction. Darnold is not as bad as he was with the Jets, but he's not good enough to be a star in the league and lead us to a SB. That's is my prediction. He's so-so and our record will be middle of the pack. That's my optimistic take. A mediocre Darnold might as well be as bad as a terrible Darnold. Both will lead us nowhere in the long run.

The longshot. Darnold is a superstar who can lead us to the SB. That's the only way this offseason was great. CB is not going to do poop for us without a great QB. It's all or nothing.

 

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10 hours ago, pantherj said:

The thing about the Huddle is that it can sometimes become a bit of an echo chamber. Darnold has looked like poop for a long time, and it's a long-shot that he pans out. But what can happen on the Huddle is fans keep talking him up and pooping anyone who doesn't agree so much that we start thinking the offseason was a grand slam. The offseason was either a home run, or a disaster depending all on Darnold. It's all resting on Darnold, and he's a long-shot. If Darnold flops, then the entire 2021 season is wiped out. We get nothing but a bad season. That is a disaster.

Horn, the other pieces, trading down, none of that matters at all if Darnold is bad. We will get slaughtered if Darnold blows like he has his entire pro career. Horn and the other draft picks won't do anything to stop a losing 2021 season if Darnold is a bust.

Instead of having Fileds as a backup plan, we are locked into a big contract with Darnold. So Darnold not only has the potential to make 2021 a wasted season, but he can hurt our cap in 2022. 

Was the offseason a huge disaster, or a home-run? The scary part is we have no clue. No idea. It's ALL riding on Darnold. If he flops, then 2021 is gone down the toilet, and 2022 will be in jeopardy of being terrible as well. 

What do I think? I'm on the hot seat and I have to make a prediction. Darnold is not as bad as he was with the Jets, but he's not good enough to be a star in the league and lead us to a SB. That's is my prediction. He's so-so and our record will be middle of the pack. That's my optimistic take. A mediocre Darnold might as well be as bad as a terrible Darnold. Both will lead us nowhere in the long run.

The longshot. Darnold is a superstar who can lead us to the SB. That's the only way this offseason was great. CB is not going to do poop for us without a great QB. It's all or nothing.

 

A good franchise can never look at a year as a loss like that though. You have to be able to rip every single ounce out of every off-season and season you can.

While I'm not thrilled with what it costs to obtain Darnold, regardless of Darnold himself, I don't think he's a awful gamble. And frankly the Panthers finally having someone you have to watch out for in the secondary for the first time since Norman left will be super important as well as other holes we filled.

I don't believe this off-season makes or breaks the future of this franchise with this young core, just because we don't land a QB or not. I do think whiffing on one in the draft could have been worse though.

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10 hours ago, pantherj said:

The thing about the Huddle is that it can sometimes become a bit of an echo chamber. Darnold has looked like poop for a long time, and it's a long-shot that he pans out. But what can happen on the Huddle is fans keep talking him up and pooping anyone who doesn't agree so much that we start thinking the offseason was a grand slam. The offseason was either a home run, or a disaster depending all on Darnold. It's all resting on Darnold, and he's a long-shot. If Darnold flops, then the entire 2021 season is wiped out. We get nothing but a bad season. That is a disaster.

Horn, the other pieces, trading down, none of that matters at all if Darnold is bad. We will get slaughtered if Darnold blows like he has his entire pro career. Horn and the other draft picks won't do anything to stop a losing 2021 season if Darnold is a bust.

Instead of having Fileds as a backup plan, we are locked into a big contract with Darnold. So Darnold not only has the potential to make 2021 a wasted season, but he can hurt our cap in 2022. 

Was the offseason a huge disaster, or a home-run? The scary part is we have no clue. No idea. It's ALL riding on Darnold. If he flops, then 2021 is gone down the toilet, and 2022 will be in jeopardy of being terrible as well. 

What do I think? I'm on the hot seat and I have to make a prediction. Darnold is not as bad as he was with the Jets, but he's not good enough to be a star in the league and lead us to a SB. That's is my prediction. He's so-so and our record will be middle of the pack. That's my optimistic take. A mediocre Darnold might as well be as bad as a terrible Darnold. Both will lead us nowhere in the long run.

The longshot. Darnold is a superstar who can lead us to the SB. That's the only way this offseason was great. CB is not going to do poop for us without a great QB. It's all or nothing.

 

Yeah as great as Horn may be he won’t win us games and can easily be negated by smart Defensive Coordinators. 

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14 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Yeah as great as Horn may be he won’t win us games and can easily be negated by smart Defensive Coordinators. 

I assume you mean offensive coordinators.

Its not just Horn...its what Horn in the scheme allows us to do.  With Horn, AJ, healthy Donte and moving Chin back....we can blitz and play much more man coverage now.  This defense should tear up.

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If, and its a big if, Darnold becomes a franchise QB, this will be considered one of the best offseasons in Panthers history. If not thee best.  

We acquired so  much talent across all levels on both sides of the ball.  TBH I did not think this was possible.  A QB, DBs LBs, DL, WRs, TE's and yes even OL.  In one offseason. 

On paper, I think we have more depth than any time in recent memory.

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I've posted a thread before years ago that Barnwell his great disdain for the organization, even in our 15-1 year he was highly skeptical the whole way through and even said the Cardinals were a better team in the NFC IIRC.

I think it has to do with Cam's comments to the female reporter (Bill is a big feminist) and Richardson's antics. He hasn't been objective about the Panthers since. He also picked a slew of defensive rookies before Jeremy Chinn last year in his end of year awards

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2 hours ago, SBBlue said:

I assume you mean offensive coordinators.

Its not just Horn...its what Horn in the scheme allows us to do.  With Horn, AJ, healthy Donte and moving Chin back....we can blitz and play much more man coverage now.  This defense should tear up.

Whoops you are right. 😅I hope so. I really do. 

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On 6/10/2021 at 11:31 AM, glenwo2 said:

What clean pockets did he have with the Jets?   🤔

And having ANY type of success throwing more TDs and than INTs on that team (which he's done) was not "middling".   It was a miracle.

You can only take so much battering before it affects your play.  Sure he may have had some clean pockets, but he just had the tar beaten out him. 

 

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21 hours ago, pantherj said:

The thing about the Huddle is that it can sometimes become a bit of an echo chamber.

Yes, it can.

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Was the offseason a huge disaster, or a home-run? The scary part is we have no clue. No idea. It's ALL riding on Darnold.

A lot always rides on the QB.

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He's so-so and our record will be middle of the pack. That's my optimistic take.

So your optimistic take  is like 7-8 wins?

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The longshot. Darnold is a superstar who can lead us to the SB. That's the only way this offseason was great. 

We have to go to the SB this year or the offseason isn't great?  Your reserve the word, great, for much more special occasions than I do.

The line I think is at 7.5 right now.

So below that, in my mind, is a disappointment.

Realistic is like 7-8 wins.

Optimistic for me, 8-10 in wildcard contention.

If we hit 8 or more wins, and beat a winning/playoff team at some point during the season, setting the stage for playoffs the following year, I would say we had a great offseason.

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Brown, Chinn, Matos, Pride, Horn, Marshall, Christensen, Hubbard...that’s a nice haul in Rhule’s first couple of drafts. I’m thinking heavy OL next year. 

I would’ve gone Fields instead of Horn, however Horn is like an ultra rare CB prospect so it’s ok 

Adding Reddick, Bouye this year was solid. Again I like what Rhule is cooking so far. 

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3 hours ago, SBBlue said:

Yes, it can.

A lot always rides on the QB.

So your optimistic take  is like 7-8 wins?

We have to go to the SB this year or the offseason isn't great?  Your reserve the word, great, for much more special occasions than I do.

The line I think is at 7.5 right now.

So below that, in my mind, is a disappointment.

Realistic is like 7-8 wins.

Optimistic for me, 8-10 in wildcard contention.

If we hit 8 or more wins, and beat a winning/playoff team at some point during the season, setting the stage for playoffs the following year, I would say we had a great offseason.

Goodness no we don't have to go to the SB this season for the offseason to have been great. Darnold has to look like the kind of QB who can lead us to the SB eventually this season. We'll know early on what Darnold is or isn't at around the same time into the season that we knew Teddy would never lead us to a SB.

If Darnold is an average level QB for us then we could see about 7-8 wins or so imo. But to me Darnold being as good as average is me being optimistic. The only evidence that we have is that he was a below average QB, and him moving up to an average QB would be a likely realistic outcome. He's on a better team with a better coaching staff, so an improvement is perfectly realistic but not a given. He could be awful. Who knows.

If we're knocking on the door of the playoffs this season, and beating really good teams, then that would be a huge win for this franchise and our future. That would mean Danold is not just a middle of the road QB, or worse, but a top QB who can lead this team to a SB win in the future.

What really matters is what Darnold looks like on the field for us. What tier of QB is he? Is he a Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Arron Rogers, Ben Roethlisberger, Payton Manning, Drew Brees, Partrick Mahomes, talent level QB? Yes or no? We'll find out this season. If he's not, then we don't have a QB who is going to lead us to a SB win. That means lowered expectations for everyone, and just hoping for a playoff win here or there. And if he's trash, then 2021 and 2022 will be trash for us.

Winning the SB is about have a good team with a great QB. The days of winning the SB with a JAG QB ended 20 something years ago with the rule changes. Now you need a great QB or you wander around in QB limbo.

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On 6/9/2021 at 10:57 PM, Peon Awesome said:

in no universe does the 20th pick, a future 1st and 2 4ths get you the #1 pick. So to say that us not trading with Chicago means we thought Horn was more valuable than a #1 overall pick is absurd. 

He did some true mental gymnastics.  First you have to throw out the Jimmy Johnson draft values and use the Chase Stuart numbers.  Then you have to assume that the value of picks in the future are the same as the value of picks today (which they aren't).   He also assumed we were given this offer, you know, because they must have.

If you use his logic of taking the last pick in the future rounds you have picks 20, 32, 144, 164, you get values of 15.5, 12.5, 3 and 2.1 for a total of 33.1, not 33.5 as he reported.  Even so, a  first rounder is 34.6 on the Stuart chart, so just about a 1st rounder.

If you use the JJ chart you get 850, 590, 34, 25.8 for a sum a 1499.8 which equals a number 7 pick.

Even if we did get this offer, it was NOT worth it to take it.

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      Sleep Guard Plus Reviews: Restful Nights Await

      By jezieleziahfrd · Posted

      Introduction Have you heard that not getting enough sleep might harm your health? Recent studies indicate that individuals who do not receive sufficient amounts of sleep each night are more prone to cardiac issues and a lack of focus and attention. But even if you have been struggling with insomnia for several years, you can now regain the capacity to sleep correctly with a new product called Sleep Guard Plus. By using this product, you can avoid feeling exhausted and begin living a better life immediately. If a future filled with restful sleep interests you, please continue reading to learn more.   What is Sleep Guard Plus? Sleep Guard Plus is a dietary supplement developed to assist those experiencing sleeping difficulties. As we all know, sleep is an essential component of existence. When you are sleeping, your body’s repair processes are active, contributing to the maintenance of its regular operations. However, several circumstances can affect our capacity to fall asleep, as the person who developed Sleep Guard Plus claimed. As a result, Sleep Guard Plus was created to restore deep sleep and certain body activities essential for effectively regulating sleep-wake cycles. The formula comprises all-natural components supported by scientific research to sustain good sleep cycles. You only need a supply of Sleep Guard Plus supplements that last at least one month to see noticeable results. Use the formula daily for one month to experience positive changes in your sleep patterns. Many people have reported successful results in regaining their capacity to sleep and obtaining sufficient rest during the night. How Does Sleep Guard Plus Works? Sleep Guard Plus was developed to address the fundamental causes of all sleep issues. Have you ever wondered about the reasons behind your recent struggles to fall asleep? The developers of Sleep Guard Plus have thought out everything specifically for you. Research findings suggest that several elements, including age and lifestyle factors, affect our ability to fall asleep. This refers to the generation of sleep hormones and other essential components within the body that are required for falling asleep. Melatonin, known as the sleep hormone, is necessary to fall asleep. However, the body loses its capacity to maintain the creation of these essential components when it is subjected to toxins and does not have sufficient fuel to support the production of these elements. As a result, Sleep Guard Plus’s formulation has been developed to address the underlying cause of the issue, namely the restoration of gut health and the reduction of inflammation. Additionally, the formula’s components stimulate the creation of essential elements such as GABA, melatonin, serotonin, TEG, and other vital components necessary for maintaining intestinal health and a balanced sleep-wake cycle.   Sleep Guard Plus Ingredients The list of ingredients in the Sleep Guard Plus formula, along with their functions, has been mentioned to help you understand how these ingredients work: Sleep Guard Plus Benefits Sleep Guard Plus is a supplement that is designed to improve the quality of your sleep. It achieves this by enhancing the production of melatonin, a hormone that regulates your sleep-wake cycle. It helps you fall asleep faster and enjoy a more restful sleep. Additionally, Sleep Guard Plus increases the activity of neurotransmitters like serotonin and GABA, which are involved in sleep regulation. It promotes relaxation, reduces anxiety, and helps you sleep more appropriately. Sleep Guard Plus also contains natural ingredients such as passion flower and ashwagandha, which have adaptogenic properties. These help regulate your body’s stress response, reducing stress and anxiety and promoting a more relaxed state conducive to sleep. Magnesium and goji berry in the supplement help regulate blood pressure and blood sugar levels, promoting overall cardiovascular health and stable energy levels throughout the day, contributing to better sleep at night. Moreover, Sleep Guard Plus contains probiotics and prebiotics that support a healthy gut microbiome. It is essential because gut health, including sleep quality, is crucial to overall well-being. Certain ingredients in the supplement, like passion flower and ashwagandha, also have anti-inflammatory properties, which can help reduce inflammation and promote better sleep. Lastly, Sleep Guard Plus contains goji berry and ashwagandha, which have immune-boosting properties. Adequate sleep is essential for a healthy immune system, and Sleep Guard Plus helps support immune function to ensure overall well-being and vitality. Is Sleep Guard Plus Safe to Use Daily? Sleep Guard Plus is generally considered safe for daily use when taken as directed. However, as with any supplement, it’s essential to follow the recommended dosage guidelines provided by the manufacturer. It’s also advisable to consult with a healthcare professional before starting any new supplement regimen, especially if you have underlying health conditions, are pregnant or breastfeeding, or are taking medication that may interact with the ingredients in Sleep Guard Plus. While Sleep Guard Plus is formulated with natural ingredients and is designed to induce sleep naturally without causing significant side effects, individual responses may vary. Some users may experience mild side effects such as drowsiness, gastrointestinal discomfort, or allergic reactions, particularly if they have sensitivities to any ingredients. To ensure safety and efficacy, it is essential to purchase Sleep Guard Plus from reputable sources and discontinue use if you experience any adverse reactions. Additionally, exceeding the recommended dosage or using Sleep Guard Plus as a substitute for proper medical treatment for sleep disorders or underlying health conditions is not recommended.   What is the Accurate Dosage of Sleep Guard Plus? The accurate dosage of Sleep Guard Plus is typically one capsule daily, taken before bedtime. It’s essential to follow the manufacturer’s recommended dosage instructions to ensure safety and efficacy. Taking more than the recommended dosage does not necessarily lead to better results and may increase the risk of side effects. It’s also advisable to take Sleep Guard Plus with a glass of water and to avoid taking it with food, as this may affect its absorption and effectiveness. Additionally, it’s essential to maintain a consistent sleep schedule and to create a conducive sleep environment to optimize the benefits of Sleep Guard Plus. If you have any questions or concerns about the dosage of Sleep Guard Plus, it’s recommended that you consult with a healthcare professional for personalized advice based on your individual needs and health status. Sleep Guard Plus Price   Moneyback Guarantee Sleep Guard Plus’ Money-Back Guarantee gives clients piece of mind and assurance of product quality. Here’s how it usually works. Duration: The Money-Back Guarantee usually is valid for 60 days from the date of purchase. This gives clients ample time to test the product and evaluate its performance. Conditions: Clients must meet certain manufacturer-specified requirements to be eligible for a refund. These restrictions may include returning the product within a certain deadline, presenting proof of purchase, and returning the product in its original packing and condition. Refund Process: If a consumer is dissatisfied with the goods and wishes to obtain a refund within the guarantee term, they should contact the manufacturer or customer support team. They may be asked to complete a refund request form or submit information about their transaction. Once the request is reviewed and granted, the buyer will get a refund minus any shipping or handling fees for the product’s purchase price. Customer Satisfaction: The Money-Back Guarantee demonstrates the manufacturer’s trust in the product’s quality and effectiveness. It reflects a dedication to customer satisfaction and allows customers to test Sleep Guard Plus risk-free. Customers should study the terms and conditions of the Money-Back Guarantee before purchasing precise specifics, which may differ depending on the manufacturer’s policies.   Real-User Feedbacks Jasmine L I’ve struggled with insomnia for years and have tried various sleep aids without much success. A friend recommended Sleep Guard Plus, and I decided to try it. I’ve been taking it for a month now, and I’ve noticed a significant improvement in my sleep quality. I fall asleep faster, stay asleep throughout the night, and feel refreshed. I’m impressed with the natural ingredients and appreciate that it doesn’t leave me feeling groggy in the morning. I highly recommend it! Robert M. As a busy professional, I often find it challenging to unwind and get a good night’s sleep. I started taking Sleep Guard Plus a few weeks ago, which has made a noticeable difference in my sleep patterns. I feel more relaxed before bedtime, and I can fall asleep faster. I’ve also noticed that I wake up feeling more rested and energized in the morning. I appreciate that it’s made with natural ingredients and doesn’t cause any side effects. Overall, I’m delighted with the results and plan to continue using it. Pros Sleep Guard Plus is composed of natural components, lessening the likelihood of experiencing unfavorable effects. Rest assured, our product is not just a claim. It’s backed by rigorous scientific research, guaranteeing its efficacy in promoting better sleep. Sleep Guard Plus is manufactured in state-of-the-art facilities, adhering to stringent industry standards. This ensures that every step of the production process is of the highest quality. It has been reported that users have seen observable enhancements in the quality of their sleep, such as a more rapid start of sleep and a more rejuvenated feeling upon waking up. It was developed to be non-habit-forming, offering a solution that is both safe and sustainable for extended usage. Easily accessible in the form of capsules, which can be easily incorporated into everyday routines. Most users report experiencing insignificant to nonexistent adverse effects, guaranteeing a pleasant experience. A sixty-day money-back guarantee offers further assurance and trust in the product’s ability to deliver the desired results. Cons You can only get your hands on the amazing Sleep Guard Plus formula on its official website. Using the formula before bed is best as it may induce sleep. It has been advised to maintain the dosage guidelines to avoid any side effects that may occur due to overdosage. It has not been created to replace an ongoing treatment. Hence, it is important to keep your health in check. Conclusion With Sleep Guard Plus, you have the power to improve the quality of your sleep naturally. Sleep disorders can be challenging, often leading to a lack of energy, poor health, and difficulty in having a good day. But with Sleep Guard Plus, you can take control of your sleep quality. If you or someone you know suffers from sleep disorders, Sleep Guard Plus can help increase the quality of deep sleep and avoid symptoms such as sleeplessness, exhaustion, fatigue, and dullness during the day. Sleep Guard Plus is an entirely natural and risk-free dietary supplement. You can easily purchase your pack by clicking on this link.  
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