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Rhule on QB (Darnold) & my translation.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Why? He signed off on the signing of Teddy Bridgewater. A guy who had never shown the talent to be a high level NFL QB. At least Darnold has the talent. Whether he can put it all together or not remains to be seen.

What was your alternative? Run with pj walker or will Grier. How much would you be crying that he doesn’t know the value of the quarterback position then?

And to act that Rhule had full autonomy of the signing decisions last year would be a stretch. 
 

Not saying rename the Lombardi trophy after him. I’m just saying, framing your statement as the guy all of a sudden had this flash revelation, that you saw all along and he didn’t, that the you need quarterback play to win in the nfl, it’s just like how is that a conclusion one could come to?

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Still mystified this team didn't pick Justin Fields. Darnold is by no means a sure thing, neither is Fields, but it would have given this team two young, CHEAP QB's to battle it out and hopefully one of them would have emerged. QB is infinitely more important to win than CB. 

 

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes. That exactly what I said we should done if we were moving on from Cam. Signing Teddy Bridgewater to a significant contract is a lack of understanding of the value of the QB position. 

Ok so in your mind, signing bridgewater, who without a doubt, is a much better quarterback than pj or Grier demonstrates how rhule doesn’t understand the value of the QB position.

because we’d have a shot, not a guarantee, to land Lawrence an unproven commodity

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2 minutes ago, Jorgie said:

Ok so in your mind, signing bridgewater, who without a doubt, is a much better quarterback than pj or Grier demonstrates how rhule doesn’t understand the value of the QB position.

because we’d have a shot, not a guarantee, to land Lawrence an unproven commodity

Yes. Because he gave Bridgewater 31M for one year of play that was similar to Kyle Allen at the 1M he could have kept him at. Add in many other questionable decisions and 80M in cap space was used for no reason at all. Think that might help with the OL? 

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7 minutes ago, Jorgie said:

Ok so in your mind, signing bridgewater, who without a doubt, is a much better quarterback than pj or Grier demonstrates how rhule doesn’t understand the value of the QB position.

because we’d have a shot, not a guarantee, to land Lawrence an unproven commodity

Yes. Dumping that money into Teddy was an idiotic move. Not just Lawrence, but Zach Wilson too. All we did was spend money against the cap we'll never get back on a guy everyone should've known wasn't good enough.

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Yes. Because he gave Bridgewater 31M for one year of play that was similar to Kyle Allen at the 1M he could have kept him at. Add in many other questionable decisions and 80M in cap space was used for no reason at all. Think that might help with the OL? 

You’re confused in thinking that rhule dolled out the contract. Teddy underperformed, I think to say that it’s an example of how rhule doesn’t value the qb position, when he was publicly criticizing the teddy’s play makes no sense

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes. Dumping that money into Teddy was an idiotic move. Not just Lawrence, but Zach Wilson too. All we did was spend money against the cap we'll never get back on a guy everyone should've known wasn't good enough.

Ok so is “spend money against the cap that we’ll never get back” an example of how he doesn’t value the qb position or is it an example of a business decision not working out?
 

Cause it sounds like you’re trying to deflect from the original premise which was that rhule didn’t value the qb position

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4 minutes ago, Jorgie said:

Even more of a testament to his abilities as a coach and organization builder. And really how many great quarterbacks have come out of college in the last five years compared to how many college programs there are? At most 2 a year.

Rhule is a great college coach.  But there are lots of great college coaches that won't make it in the NFL.  Different animal.   Rhule has never built teams and won in the manner required to in the NFL though. 

Saban went right back to college when he couldn't get a QB in Miami.   No QB?  Saban said it was impossible to win in the NFL and he wasn't hanging around without it.   Miami opted to bring in Teddy/Darnold types.  He said bye bye. 

Great QBs are rare.  So when you have a chance to possibly grab one you need to take the shot.  Love or hate Fields.....that was one of those lotto tickets a team without a QB has to take. NFL runs through the QB. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Jorgie said:

Ok so is “spend money against the cap that we’ll never get back” an example of how he doesn’t value the qb position or is it an example of a business decision not working out?
 

Cause it sounds like you’re trying to deflect from the original premise which was that rhule didn’t value the qb position

No, I'm not. My point is we spent significant money on a QB who lacks the physical talent to be a high level NFL starter. My guess on why? Rhule and Brady (college coaches) thought they could "coach him up". 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No, I'm not. My point is we spent significant money on a QB who lacks the physical talent to be a high level NFL starter. My guess on why? Rhule and Brady (college coaches) thought they could "coach him up". 

No they brought him in because he had tape of him succeeding in the system they run. Not because the “college coaches thought they could coach him up”

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