I used to come to this place to learn things about football...

[frankw]

The two most outspoken posters shouting about this are also the two most volatile contributors who engage in personal attacks most frequently while asking for moderation over difference of opinion. They know who they are. I'm sure I'll get another poop for this post from one of them momentarily lol.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

3 hours ago, Zod said:

Y'all know it's up to y'all to fix it right? Start a solid informative or interesting topic. Do your part to getting back on track. If you posted in this thread to complain, how about posting something to move towards I proving this joint next. 

All I’m going to say is look at the response to this thread. While what you are saying is technically true, it’s pretty clear if you look objectively that a lot of people here are pretty tired of the trolls and constant bashing of the team. Perhaps it isn’t ALL our fault that it’s gotten this way. Just saying.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's way too much of taking any difference in opinion as personal attack on the board right now leading to actual personal attacks. If you don't want to encounter differing opinions, then a forum that encourages open discussion might not be the best place for you. We're not going to be the football thought police around here and moderate a "Panthers positive messages" only forum. If you want to stick around but want to create your own personal echo chamber, there's an ignore function. Use it.

Obviously not intended for you @Zod, just expounding on what you said.

I’m not asking for an echo chamber. Nor is anyone else here. 
 

It’s the 25/7 trolling and Darnold, Rhule, Tepper, Panthers in general bashing that has worn its welcome. 
 

“Tepper is terrible. He should have fired Rivera the minute he got here but he didn’t have the balls. All he cares about is soccer”. 
 

Is that an honest opinion? Or is that just a troll? Cause I’ve seen it around here a LOT in the last two years. 
 

“Rhule and Snow are college coaches. Rhules doesn’t value QB or the offensive line apparently. He took a DT and a CB in the first round. We will never address LT”

Again, that MIGHT be someone’s opinion. But Rhule doesn’t strike me as the type that WANTS to lose. Being a coach at the highest level, I’m quite sure he does realize the importance of QB ffs.

“We could have had Fields but we are rolling the dice with Darnold. This team is going to look back and regret this for years. Darnold will put us in purgatory.”

These are fair concerns. Darnold may not work out. Fields may not either. The point is, we all get it. I feel like you are rolling you eyes at this post acting as though some of us want an homer driven echo chamber when the reality is we are just tired of the nonstop bashing every single day. “
 

You might be right. Darnold might be dog sh*t. He might absolutely suck and perhaps Fields will be a league MVP one day. Can we wait for one of them to take a single snap for their new teams now? Being critical is fine. ‘My good with disagreements and I’m good critical outlooks. No, I don’t want an echo chamber. 
But again, look at the traction to this thread. Obviously the fast majority are tired of some posters (and indeed some mods) just bashing the team into the ground. It’s possible to be pessimistic but still acknowledge that perhaps things are trending up. Perhaps Darnold does have another level or two in him just like Burrow did under Brady his final year at LSU. Perhaps a CB that can latch on to the WR doesn’t just take the WR out of the game and will benefit our entire pass rush. Perhaps Tepper does care about football and wants to win. Perhaps Rhule can really coach up young players and isn’t just college material. I accept all that could be wrong. But even suggesting things have gotten too negative seems to rub you the wrong way. You response is “what? You just want a football echo chamber? Maybe this place isn’t for you then.”

No, that’s not what anyone here is saying. But this is a Panthers forum. I would think most could be pessimistic/critical without being downright militant about the shortcomings of the team, coaches, owner etc. I don’t know what the answer is man. But it is obvious to me that a lot of people here have gotten frustrated with the constant b*tching. Perhaps there’s a way to show pessimism while also maintaining a sense of ‘we are in this thing together’ as it’s a Panthers board. Even if this team is trash, it’s ‘our trash’ and that isn’t about being an echo chamber, it’s about being a fan. I’m sure nobody would have gone to training camp and boo’ed Teddy last year or Sam this year over and over every day. If they had, what would the response be? 

[MasterAwesome]

40 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I wrote a whole rant here in response to this with links to posts and back-and-forth's and derailed threads that I myself have participated in, but I've thought better of it. 

Suffice it to say, I disagree with your assessment.  I'm going to leave it at that.
 

Fair enough. If you have enough material to write an entire exposé then I'll acknowledge I could be wrong.  I admit I am not as active here anymore, in large part due to the context of this thread.  Maybe my bar for mods has become so low that him simply not calling people dumbass morons is enough to hold him in relatively high personal regard.

[SBBlue]

40 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Fair enough. If you have enough material to write an entire exposé then I'll acknowledge I could be wrong.  I admit I am not as active here anymore, in large part due to the context of this thread.  Maybe my bar for mods has become so low that him simply not calling people dumbass morons is enough to hold him in relatively high personal regard.

I just trying  not to get personal.  I'm sure these are good people volunteering their time.

[Zod]

Maybe I should bring back self moderato (neg rep)

[Harbingers]

17 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

... that was some 15 years ago now. Holy immature meltdown. Today I have learned that the Huddle thinks YGM will be cut while the entire 3rd string will somehow make the roster and ruin our season at the same time. 
 

Here’s some perspective kids. The starters did not play at all today minus maybe a couple battling for a starting spot. This game should be looked at as two separate games. The first one was in the first half. It was the Panthers depth vs the Colts depth. Our backups won that game. If you erase few jittery penalties we would have had an even bigger winning margin than we did. 
 

The second game was the Panthers practice squad and cuts (minus a couple) vs the Colts practice squad and cuts. As it turns out, the Colts had better garbage than we had today. The second half of the first preseason game that did not feature any starters tells us less than 1% about our upcoming season. 
 

What we did learn about the upcoming season is that it seems Rhule and company can really evaluate talent and identify NFL talent in the late rounds of the draft. That’s something we haven’t really had for a decade. Last years draft class looked terrific last season. Our first three picks last year all contributed in a big way. But this years class on paper seems to be even better. I think we found a lot of contributors in the draft this year and that is a very welcome change.

I learned PJ Walker is a serviceable backup. By no means a top tier backup and if Darnold misses considerable time then the season is over. But if Sam were to miss two games this season, depending on who we play, I’m confident PJ could do enough to get us a win in one of them. 
 

We learned that Tremble indeed has better hands than he’s been given credit for. Many of us suspected this may be the case, but today or showed it. 
 

We learn that WR is loaded. We expected this, but after today, it’s absolutely confirmed. It may not be our strongest position but it’s damn sure our deepest. 
 

Yeah, the offensive line looked troublesome today. But it also showed potential. Brown and Christensen played pretty well. Yeah, there were a few mistakes made, but overall they were decent. 
 

CB depth could still be an issue if we lose one of our first three CBs on the chart. But if they stay healthy, I’m not worried about it. We are still young at CB and these guys are still learning. 
 

LB is weak. I’m not worried about the starters but if we do lose one, that’s probably our biggest weakness. Those guys have got to stay healthy.

But ultimately we didn’t learn very much at all. Most of who we watched will rarely (if ever) make the field this season. This was a chance for those guys to gain NFL experience and continue to grow as players. The sky isn’t falling. We have a better 2nd string. They have a better practice squad. Calm down.

Have to disagree with you on the OL. They were hot hot fugging garbage. Like the OL coach needs to be fired yesterday garbage. There was no potential at all as a unit. I know it’s the backups but it actively looked worse than last year. 

[bigdavis]

I don't post here that often, but when I do, I try to  make it salient and positive.  I was actually formulating such a thread as this, before yesterday's game, in an appeal to all to put aside the petty squabbles, and concentrate on game and player analysis instead, now that we have some actual plays to analyze.

Glad I didn't.  I certainly couldn't have done it as well, or as thoroughly, as you did, @TheMostInterestingMan

I know opinions are now the lifeblood of society, thanks to the takeover of our lives by social media, but making it easier for every a__hole (remember the two things everybody's got) to flaunt his has resulted in the inevitable descent to the lowest common denominator of free speech.

I'm glad I won't be around in 20 years to see where this leads.  This isn't just football related; it is a civilization without civility.

Nevertheless, I remain an ardent Panther fan, and will concentrate on the good qualities of the team, its players and its leadership, and avoid complaining and blaming -- for it just makes for a happier life, in general.  Go, Panthers!

[Jon Snow]

2 hours ago, Zod said:

Maybe I should bring back self moderato (neg rep)

If it worked like it was intended to sure.  But now it would just be a weapon to silence people.  

[Icege]

The Huddle was a huge inspiration for learning more about the game and history of football for me. I was already a Panthers die hard, but it made me even more attracted to and a student of the game itself rather than just a fan of the team.

I do miss a lot of the more fun loving folks, but it's also been interesting + telling the shift in tone here and how it reflects that of the macrocosm that is society at large.

Took a several week break during the summer while working through some family medical emergencies (forever fug cancer) due to how much more toxic things seemed, and it honestly was the best thing I could've done. Came back and filled up the ignore list (I do wish I was able to add notes as to why I added somebody to ignore, whether it be sexually assaulting the dead horse or defending sexual assaults at large), and it's been a much more pleasant experience since.

[rayzor]

Did I miss something?

[SBBlue]

8 hours ago, Zod said:

Maybe I should bring back self moderato (neg rep)

The what?

[TheMostInterestingMan]

1 hour ago, SBBlue said:

The what?

We used to have a beg rep feature here. Basically getting a poo react made your overall reputation lower. I don’t remember if that resulted in being unable to create new threads or not, but your rep used to have a meter from red to green and those in the red everyone knew to just ignore because they were clearly trolls etc. I’m not sure you could create threads if you had negative reputation.

But @Jon Snow is probably right. Now it would likely just be weaponized to attack people you don’t like. I could specifically see disagreements from the tinderbox carrying over into the football forum and being used to attack people that way. Just saying that sounds silly. That’s how I know it’s probably likely lol 

[SBBlue]

1 minute ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

We used to have a beg rep feature here. Basically getting a poo react made your overall reputation lower. I don’t remember if that resulted in being unable to create new threads or not, but your rep used to have a meter from red to green and those in the red everyone knew to just ignore because they were clearly trolls etc. I’m not sure you could create threads if you had negative reputation.

But @Jon Snow is probably right. Now it would likely just be weaponized to attack people you don’t like. I could specifically see disagreements from the tinderbox carrying over into the football forum and being used to attack people that way. Just saying that sounds silly. That’s how I know it’s probably likely lol 

Yeah, it doesn't sound like the self moderato is a  good plan.

I really just think some of this is going to cure itself.  Take today for instance.  The o-line bitching is way down.  Probably the lowest since I've been a member in May.  This thread may be part of it, but I think yesterday's game did too.   I'm also beating them over the head with the stats from yesterday.

We can't tone down the bitching ourselves, and probably shouldn't.  Let the O-line and Darnold do it.  

Maybe Zod is right, yet again.  Winning does cure all.