Darnold’s Upside

[SBBlue]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have people crying in here because I've pointed out that suggesting that any developing QB's floor is a guy coming off a 3800 yard, 33 TD, 7 INT season is absurd. That's not a knock on Sam Darnold in anyway shape or form. It's a knock on certain posters' having room temperature IQs for not realizing how absurd of a comparison that is. I'm not knocking Sam. I'm knocking y'all. And laughing at y'all.

 

 

 

Ryan Tannehill has a vary up &  down career and to pick one of his good years to say, that is the QB,  makes Tannehill look better than he is .  He was a "bad decision maker" and "turn over machine" as some would say, several years in Miami.

It appears that the careers and the floors of the two QBs are very similar.  To say that Sam can be better than Ryan Tannehill is not out of the realm of possibly.  He  is playing better than Tannehill now by nearly every measure, behind a worse OL by most measures and at this point with a rookie RB.

 

[SBBlue]

22 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

But man, Sam is off to a great start.

He is. 

I've saved the posts from those two that said Sam was a bad QB.  I'm waiting until the end of the regular season, but at some point those who are backpedaling now,  I will reply with their own posts.  

I never anticipated Sam would be setting a NFL rushing touchdown record here.  He is playing very well, and if history is any guide...he gets BETTER later in the season.

[glenwo2]

5 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I thought personal attacks were a bannable offense?

If that's the case, then TLG would've banned for calling me "Pathetic" in another thread. 

 

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Ryan Tannehill has a vary up &  down career and to pick one of his good years to say, that is the QB,  makes Tannehill look better than he is .  He was a "bad decision maker" and "turn over machine" as some would say, several years in Miami.

It appears that the careers and the floors of the two QBs are very similar.  To say that Sam can be better than Ryan Tannehill is not out of the realm of possibly.  He  is playing better than Tannehill now by nearly every measure, behind a worse OL by most measures and at this point with a rookie RB.

 

To say his FLOOR is a QB who has been very good his past several years in Tennessee would be wrong. Tannehill has proven he can play good football with the right system/players. Darnold looks like he has so far this season, but to call a proven solid NFL QB his FLOOR is a stretch. If that’s his floor, meaning the absolute worst he can be, go ahead and extend him 5 years. Any decent staff can get a player to play above his FLOOR. We have already seen Darnold’s floor. It’s the Jets Darnold and he has already shown he can be much better than that. He also doesn’t have the arm talent for Rodgers to be his ceiling. Darnold has a gear arm, but Rodgers is just on another level. 

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Cam is a pretty big task.   I mean he is the biggest superstar we have ever had.  That’s not an easy jump.   

Yet he was never a prolific passer. 

[Peon Awesome]

Floor: Patrick Mahomes

Ceiling: QB that makes Mahomes look like Jimmy Clausen

[glenwo2]

2 hours ago, joemac said:

I was being sarcastic dude. The real list is very short.

1. Cam Newton

2. Jake Delhomme 

3. Steve Beurlein

4. Kerry Collins

I think Sam can easily be better than Kerry.

I'm only putting up his time in Carolina because that's what's relevant.

[frankw]

20 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I've saved the posts from those two that said Sam was a bad QB.  I'm waiting until the end of the regular season, but at some point those who are backpedaling now,  I will reply with their own posts. 

Are you going to speak to the manager too?

[Call Me James]

Now y'all care about rushing Touchdowns? 

[glenwo2]

2 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

Now y'all care about rushing Touchdowns? 

They equal 6 points just like Passing ones.   I don't see what the issue is. 

[Call Me James]

6 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

They equal 6 points just like Passing ones.   I don't see what the issue is. 

You're new here. 

[1usctrojan]

2 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

They equal 6 points just like Passing ones.   I don't see what the issue is. 

There should be no issue, but since when does an agenda require a valid issue?  Points are points.
 

you and I know Sam has never been a running QB, but he is a mobile QB who appears to be taking what the defense  is giving him….and for the last four games, those defenses have given him open lanes to run in TDs.   He looks to me like he’s gliding them in, not bulldozing his way in.

[glenwo2]

4 minutes ago, 1usctrojan said:

There should be no issue, but since when does an agenda require a valid issue?  Points are points.
 

you and I know Sam has never been a running QB, but he is a mobile QB who appears to be taking what the defense  is giving him….and for the last four games, those defenses have given him open lanes to run in TDs.   He looks to me like he’s gliding them in, not bulldozing his way in.

Although his most previous TD, he kind of bulldozed a CB but I get your point. 

 

He also had that QB Sneak where he was squashed from both sides while getting into the endzone.

 

But aside from that, yeah.  He's been gliding them in. 

[OneBadCat]

Darnold looks better than advertised right now. We are still waiting to see if he has the clutch gene and can put the team on his back. 
 

Talent wise he’s second to Cam. Skill wise I’d put him below Delhommes prime. But Darnolds arm talent is no doubt the best we’ve seen apart from Cam.

It’s hard to categorize his ceiling because he’s bigger than Rodgers, slimmer than Big Ben, but faster. Cannon arm with at times elite accuracy. Can be mobile and make the defense pay at any moment. 
 

If I had to compare him to anyone it would honestly be a slower version of Cam right now that plays the scheme versus the scheme designed around him.