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Losing to the Giants - should someone get fired?


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1 hour ago, weyco2000 said:

The only bad loss was the Eagles game, the other two were pretty much expected when the schedule was released. So, honestly you’re blowing things out of proportion.

I can't say enough how awful that Eagles loss was. One win team at home and give up a game winning drive to a qb with a bottom ranked qbr. It doesn't get much lower than that. Not quite 2010 bad but not that far off either. Truth is truth 🤷‍♂️

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1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Not a fan of reactionary mid season firings, particularly for a relatively young team and couching staff in what is essentially year two of a rebuild.

BTW, we were never as good as some thought we were. We're arguably a bottom 10 team ourselves even though no one wants to hear it. Plus, this is the NFL and "any given Sunday..."

Nicely stated.

To add to this, firing someone so soon can also send the message that Tepper, Rhule, and Fitt don't know what they are doing. Sure, some will claim it makes them look like they are quick to correct a mistake, but it really doesn't. Whoever the replacement is could be worse. Then toss in keeping Rivera and Hurney so long with the way Cam and then Teddy were treated, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture for current brain trust.

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18 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Nicely stated.

To add to this, firing someone so soon can also send the message that Tepper, Rhule, and Fitt don't know what they are doing. Sure, some will claim it makes them look like they are quick to correct a mistake, but it really doesn't. Whoever the replacement is could be worse. Then toss in keeping Rivera and Hurney so long with the way Cam and then Teddy were treated, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture for current brain trust.

I mean I don’t have a great endorsement of the current owner considering all the team has done since he bought the team is have massive losing streaks every season.

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10 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I mean I don’t have a great endorsement of the current owner considering all the team has done since he bought the team is have massive losing streaks every season.

Sadly what we think of Tepper or any other sports team owner doesn't matter one bit. They are the super wealthy and owning sports teams is just an ego stroke for them since they are exclusive clubs with few members. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tepper try buy a MLB team and the Hornets so he could claim to be the only or one of the very few owners of a team in all the major American sports.

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

This is a bit hyperbolic. Losing would suck but I don't think this is the moment the wheels necessarily come off nor should we start firing/hiring/etc.

a loss sunday and you can kiss what playoffs hope had goodbye and yes the wheels will start to come off hell the way tepper loooked sunday he already getting impaitent.

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1 hour ago, Call Me James said:

I've always assumed the order of firings (if they were to happen mid-season) would go Snow (due to the investment in D), THEN Rhule, and lastly Brady as that would give them a chance to see how he performs as top dog as a young coach. 

Interesting, especially because it is possible Tepper is believing the boy genius hype.  I just don't see Rhule ever firing Snow.  And while you're right on the investments, the fact Rhule is forcing a change in gameplan/strategy on O tells me he isn't happy with Brady.  If Rhule tries to fire Brady, and if Tepper stepped in... would be interesting.

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1 hour ago, Call Me James said:

I've always assumed the order of firings (if they were to happen mid-season) would go Snow (due to the investment in D), THEN Rhule, and lastly Brady as that would give them a chance to see how he performs as top dog as a young coach. 

Why would they fire the defensive coordinator first? He has the only unit playing at a high level on the year?   Plus, Snow is the only actual Matt Rhule guy of all the coordinators.  That's Rhule's guy.  The most impactful guy to Rhule's career success.  Temple and Baylor got to where they got under Rhule via Snow's defenses. 

Brady, Chase, position coaches, players.  Matt Rhule would throw a lot of guys into fire before Snow. 

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1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

Charlotte native and panthers fan Daniel Jones about to rip apart Phil Snows college defense. Bet he has his best game as a pro. 

Would you be willing to paypal bet a G?

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Why would they fire the defensive coordinator first? He has the only unit playing at a high level on the year?   Plus, Snow is the only actual Matt Rhule guy of all the coordinators.  That's Rhule's guy.  The most impactful guy to Rhule's career success.  Temple and Baylor got to where they got under Rhule via Snow's defenses. 

Brady, Chase, position coaches, players.  Matt Rhule would throw a lot of guys into fire before Snow. 

Because it's the area we've put in the largest investments. 

It's easy to say the offense isn't good because we have a bad OL and a bad QB and CMC is out. 

If anyone gets fired and that's a big if it will be because the defense doesn't find their early season form. The offense is what it is at this point. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Interesting, especially because it is possible Tepper is believing the boy genius hype.  I just don't see Rhule ever firing Snow.  And while you're right on the investments, the fact Rhule is forcing a change in gameplan/strategy on O tells me he isn't happy with Brady.  If Rhule tries to fire Brady, and if Tepper stepped in... would be interesting.

I think if any firing happensto a coordinator it will be because Tepper forces the hand. 

I haven't been impressed with Brady at all, but what we don't know yet is how much of the team's offensive identity is truly his. 

It's all speculation. I don't see anyone getting fired this season. 

 

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Just now, Call Me James said:

Because it's the area we've put in the largest investments. 

It's easy to say the offense isn't good because we have a bad OL and a bad QB and CMC is out. 

If anyone gets fired and that's a big if it will be because the defense doesn't find their early season form. The offense is what it is at this point. 

 

 

and it's the #3 rated D.  #6 in points.   And he is currently without the leader of the D and his first rounder. 

I mean, they literally gifted wrapped one of the losses, the Philly game....and the O still managed to give it away. 

9 minutes left in the game on Sunday....the Panther offense had 80 passing yards on the day.  And you don't understand why the Panther D ended up having a bad day vs one of the best offenses in terms of skill position players? 

The D was probably better in the Philly game than the Houston game.  With even the most average offense that day....it's a blow out.  

  bad offense quarter after quarter....means a good defense will end up giving yards and points. 

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