Panthers 3rd Quarter Struggles

[kungfoodude]

This has stood out this season, however if you look at the numbers, this has been a Panthers problem since Matt Rhule became the head coach on the offensive side of the ball(although it has gotten worse in 2021). The PPQ differential in the 3rd quarter this year is a startling -4.5. That is the largest single quarter scoring deficit we have seen since 2017 when we had a -4.5 point 4th quarter.

1st Quarter

2020 Offense PPQ: 5.6

2021 Offense PPQ: 5.5

2nd Quarter

2020 Offense PPQ: 6.7

2021 Offense PPQ: 5.9

3rd Quarter

2020 Offense PPQ: 3.6

2021 Offense PPQ: 2.1

4th Quarter

2020 Offense PPQ: 6.0

2021 Offense PPQ: 7.0

Interestingly, this is not the same for the defense:

1st Quarter

2020 Defense PPQ: 5.3

2021 Defense PPQ: 2.4

2nd Quarter

2020 Defense PPQ: 7.3

2021 Defense PPQ: 4.1

3rd Quarter

2020 Defense PPQ: 5.0

2021 Defense PPQ: 6.9

4th Quarter

2020 Defense PPQ: 7.5

2021 Defense PPQ: 5.8

 

[t96]

Matt Rhule should ask James Borrego how to handle 3rd quarters.

[jayboogieman]

Just now, t96 said:

Matt Rhule should ask James Borrego how to handle 3rd quarters.

I was coming here to say something similar.

[Moo Daeng]

Joe Brady is the OC. An extremely inexperienced one at that. 
 

[MHS831]

We can't hold a lead and we are not really built to play from behind.  Aside from those things, what is the problem here?

[Panther'sBigD]

Brady definitely seems to be learning on the job, and finding that his schemes are a lot tougher to pull off when he doesn't have that LSU bench going against college competition. We've got some really good skill players, but so does everyone else in the NFL. I think he will adapt, but the growing pains are going to be particularly painful.  

[frankw]

If just blaming Sam Darnold for everything is considered lazy and hating then Joe Brady shouldn't be the only target either. He didn't hire himself and his boss wasn't catered to and paid 60 million dollars to pass the buck. If it's an issue and has been all season figure it out. Otherwise this is entering Ron Rivera pass the buck waters.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

If just blaming Sam Darnold for everything is considered lazy and hating then Joe Brady shouldn't be the only target either. He didn't hire himself and his boss wasn't catered to and paid 60 million dollars to pass the buck. If it's an issue and has been all season figure it out. Otherwise this is entering Ron Rivera pass the buck waters.

Rhule deserves more blame than anyone in the franchise other than perhaps David Tepper. Ultimately, Rhule took a job where he had complete control of coaching staff hires, general manager hires and final say on personnel decisions. The buck ultimately stops with him. He chose all these coaches and players that aren't performing well.

So, he should absolutely shoulder the bulk of the blame for the OL, Darnold and Brady's struggles. Those were 100% his decisions. 

[Moo Daeng]

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

We can't hold a lead and we are not really built to play from behind.  Aside from those things, what is the problem here?

We have a very obvious problem with the offense in the 3rd quarter.

[Moo Daeng]

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

If just blaming Sam Darnold for everything is considered lazy and hating then Joe Brady shouldn't be the only target either. He didn't hire himself and his boss wasn't catered to and paid 60 million dollars to pass the buck. If it's an issue and has been all season figure it out. Otherwise this is entering Ron Rivera pass the buck waters.

Excellent strawman argument there Frank

[Snake]

23 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Joe Brady is the OC. An extremely inexperienced one at that. 
 

This and our red zone attack hasn't gotten any better either. We have just gotten in the red zone less. 

[Mother Grabber]

they didn’t struggle in the 3rd quarter, or 2nd half in general in the last game. hopefully that is a sign of growth with the staff.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Excellent strawman argument there Frank

What's your honest take on Rhule? I like him I've been patient yes we've been often critical but I'm not one of those who has called for his job. That being said it would be very inconsistent to overlook issues like this when we were quite brutal on Rivera for his repeated flaws early on and his coordinators falling on their swords for his teams inadequacies. From the looks of it this Panthers staff could really use some nfl experience. When we hired Rhule most here had a big sigh of relief bc he sounded open to any and all new methods instead of falling back on the same tired approach to a fault. Hopefully we see more of that through the second half of our season.

[Moo Daeng]

I doubt Waldo knows what a strawman argument is.