Panthers taking offers for Cmac in the off-season

[grimesgoat]

4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Plenty of us saw what was about to happen with injuries people like you weren’t paying attention.

This will never happen but if rhule is kept id cut cmc if no one will trade for him and take the dead cap hit this year. It’ll be brutal and we won’t field a good team but we aren’t anyway so I’d be done with it. Start fresh with a new staff and high picks and plenty of cap. 

I call bullshit.  I was and still am paying attention.  Dude had played in 48 straight games when he signed the extension.  He kept himself in better shape than anyone on the team.  And I still believe if the Panthers were competing over the past 2 years, he would've been out there.  Just no reason risk a major injury or more wear and tear.

Cutting him now is just ignorant.  If we cut him now, we eat 26m in dead money in 2022.  If we keep him, the cap hit hit is 14m in 2022 and the dead money in 2023 is around 13m.  Its basically a wash.

When healthy, he's a game changer in his prime.  I would only consider a late first for him.  A team like Buffalo or Arizona may see him as the missing link.  They are built to win now and may believe he adds more value to a SB run than some late first DT.

  

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I call bullshit.  I was and still am paying attention.  Dude had played in 48 straight games when he signed the extension.  He kept himself in better shape than anyone on the team.  And I still believe if the Panthers were competing over the past 2 years, he would've been out there.  Just no reason risk a major injury or more wear and tear.

Cutting him now is just ignorant.  If we cut him now, we eat 26m in dead money in 2022.  If we keep him, the cap hit hit is 14m in 2022 and the dead money in 2023 is around 13m.  Its basically a wash.

When healthy, he's a game changer in his prime.  I would only consider a late first for him.  A team like Buffalo or Arizona may see him as the missing link.  They are built to win now and may believe he adds more value to a SB run than some late first DT.

  

We all wanted it to work out but reality is slapping us right in the face with no regard for our feelings my friend. It is what it is regardless of how many folks still wear Christian McCaffrey undies. We had to face it for Cam twice now thanks to this staff so now is no different just because it's CMC.

Edited January 7, 2022 by frankw

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I call bullshit.  I was and still am paying attention.  Dude had played in 48 straight games when he signed the extension.  He kept himself in better shape than anyone on the team.  And I still believe if the Panthers were competing over the past 2 years, he would've been out there.  Just no reason risk a major injury or more wear and tear.

Cutting him now is just ignorant.  If we cut him now, we eat 26m in dead money in 2022.  If we keep him, the cap hit hit is 14m in 2022 and the dead money in 2023 is around 13m.  Its basically a wash.

When healthy, he's a game changer in his prime.  I would only consider a late first for him.  A team like Buffalo or Arizona may see him as the missing link.  They are built to win now and may believe he adds more value to a SB run than some late first DT.

  

You people live in a fantasy world. Go look up the threads I’m not gonna do it for you. Plenty of people said not to sign him to a second contract, try to trade him or let him walk. History has shown that rbs on second contracts get injured and do not live up to their deals. You don’t build offenses around running backs anymore. It’s stupid. And the first thing Matt Rhule does in his tenure is sign cmc to the highest rb contract ever. Don’t get mad when people tell you the truth and then it happens.

[frankw]

We had no starting quarterback when we signed him to the biggest running back contract in history and people still won't accept. They are indeed living in a fantasy world.

[grimesgoat]

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

We all wanted it to work out but reality is slapping us right in the face with no regard for our feelings my friend. It is what it is regardless of how many folks still wear Christian McCaffrey undies. We had to face it for Cam twice now thanks for this staff so now is no different.

You could see it with Cam.  He couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards.

CMC didn't even need surgery.  Just rest.  He's expected to be 100% next year. 

He could get hurt again I suppose.  After all, this is tackle football.  But why just assume he'll get hurt again (and therefore flush 26m) just because he pulled a hammy or tweaked his ankle?

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, BrianS said:

It's just another sign of a dysfunctional organization.

The concept of trading CMC isn't terrible, except that it is.

Every team in the NFL can look back and see that the dude has played 10 games in the last 32.  That's a HUGE hit to any trade value he might have.  No one is going to give us anything remotely resembling value for him.

If the Panthers think the guy can be healthy, there is literally ZERO reason to trade him.  The only reason they would consider it is because they DON'T have that belief.  Every other team can figure that out.

It's just dumb, dysfunctional Panthers again if the report is true.

Absolutely. This is dysfunctional for two reasons.

1. The Panthers don’t correctly use him and never have. In fact they’ve abused him as they did cam, and for some reason refuse to train him in the slot. Patriots can turn a college qb (Edleman) into what he was but the Panthers have no clue how to do it with CMC who has made some huge plays every chance he gets there.

2. This is simply recovering resources lost through idiocy. Idiocy not only by trading away future picks on garbage but idiocy in trying to recoup cap from further idiocy. I’d rather have cmc for 1/4 the season that signing Darnold or bringing in Cam…you want to take about wasted contracts and cap, as bloated as cmcs is, it’s not even close to the top of the list in actual wasted money.

I also have a hunch if trade does happen they’ll pay some of cmcs money anyways as part of the deal.

This franchise is truly pathetic.

[cookinbrak]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

Like I’ve said before, if someone came calling he’d already be gone 

People on here are gullible. Any team will listen to offers for any player.

[frankw]

10 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

You could see it with Cam.  He couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards.

CMC didn't even need surgery.  Just rest.  He's expected to be 100% next year. 

He could get hurt again I suppose.  After all, this is tackle football.  But why just assume he'll get hurt again (and therefore flush 26m) just because he pulled a hammy or tweaked his ankle?

You just have to look around the NFL and you'll see the same with other teams. Many of the league's best backs have been banged up. Derrick Henry Dalvin Cook Alvin Kamara Nick Chubb the list goes on and on. You just don't pay an RB that kind of money you build your line and draft another or sign one on the cheaper end.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, cookinbrak said:

People on here are gullible. Any team will listen to offers for any player.

Call KC and ask about Mahomes.

[cookinbrak]

53 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Plenty of us saw what was about to happen with injuries people like you weren’t paying attention.

This will never happen but if rhule is kept id cut cmc if no one will trade for him and take the dead cap hit this year. It’ll be brutal and we won’t field a good team but we aren’t anyway so I’d be done with it. Start fresh with a new staff and high picks and plenty of cap. 

So just cut him and eat the cap hit in order to get a higher draft pick next year?

[KillerKat]

We got to. He's injury prone, taking up too much money. 

[cookinbrak]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Call KC and ask about Mahomes.

Justin Herbert, Austin Ekelor, and the Chargers next 2 1st rd picks. You think KC wouldn't jump?

[Brooklyn 3.0]

I will predict the future:

Patriots take him, use him properly, he has a god tier season, and we look stupid.

[TheRumGone]

5 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

So just cut him and eat the cap hit in order to get a higher draft pick next year?

In order to clear the cap for 23’ for a new staff. If they continue to use cmc the way they have been next year, which they more than likely will, he’ll miss games again so what’s the point then that dead cap will be something the new staff will have to work with.