If nothing matter until you find a franchise QB what is the best way to build the team?

[mrcompletely11]

finding a franchise qb is luck?  wtf?

[Panthercougar68]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

finding a franchise qb is luck?  wtf?

Would you consider it luck to have a top 5 pick in 2017 class as opposed to this class which you say is the spawn of satan with qbs?

basically luck of what’s coming out of college.

Edited January 9, 2022 by Panthercougar68

[rmoneyg35]

I think there are a few QBs that could be decent starters for us. Look at how Heinicke played and we cut him. Think of how many Decent QBs are out there that just need a chance. I think teams are afraid to give certain QBs a chance because they have more money or draft picks invested in others that they won’t even give a undrafted qb a chance. Kyle Allen could be a decent starter as well. Gardner Minshew seems to be the guy  that no one wants yet does good on bad teams. Hell Jameis Winston had over a 100 qb rating and wasn’t throwing interceptions this year. There are plenty of good QBs out there that want to leave there teams like Russell Wilson. Look at what happened with Tom Brady. Jimmy G will be a FA and is a good qb although in my opinion he gets injured too much. Maybe we build up a good team and just sign a good qb that’s got a few years left and that’s what gets us a Super Bowl. Hell maybe Darnold gets better with a better offensive line and a good offensive coach? Plenty of QBs have sucked their first few years and ended up being good. I dont think there are any QBs we should draft this year, if we do how can we expect him to develop with this offensive line?

[pantherj]

3 hours ago, Fan01 said:

I'm not saying that having a franchise QB is 100% necessary to go to and win a Superbowl but it's sure seems like Tepper believes that.  Let's assume that is the case.  How do you build the team?

I don't think there is a single legit or semi-legit QB available through trade or in the draft that we haven't seriously looked into getting.  Bridgewater, Stafford, Watson, Fields, Darnold, Newton, Darnold, Watson...you get the idea.

To me it sure seems like the marching orders are build the D and do everything in the known universe to get a franchise QB.  Take every chance and look under every bush.  If it ends up costs us draft picks, coaches or wins in that quest, it's worth it.  It's better to be elite or horrible.  Your success goes as your QB goes.  Leave no stone unturned.

Do you agree? 

SB history says a franchise QB is necessary to win the SB if your talking about the current modern rules.

Watson doesn't want to come here unfortunately.

Without a franchise QB building the defense is unwise, see our current Panthers with their completely built defense. Useless. 

You have to go back to a proper blueprint and start from there. Let the veteran defenders leave for better contracts, or trade them for draft picks. The defense is irrelevant at this point as you will see again this Sunday when our 1st rounders all over the field do next to nothing to stop an injury riddled TB team. What needs to be done is to build an excellent o-line, and give that o-line time to gel together. Once the excellent o-line has been built, then we turn our attention to drafting a QB. Then you allow the QB to gain experience behind an excellent pass blocking o-line. Then you slowly start to rebuild the defense. Once that is completed you start looking for the final few pieces. Is it a TE, RB, WR, or something else? Then you start making SB runs and try and win the damn thing. We're at the build the o-line phase. Next is QB. Then defense. Then last few pieces. Then the SB window opens.

Edited January 9, 2022 by pantherj

[Panthercougar68]

4 minutes ago, pantherj said:

SB history says a franchise QB is necessary to win the SB if your talking about the current modern rules.

Watson doesn't want to come here unfortunately.

Without a franchise QB building the defense is unwise, see our current Panthers with their completely built defense. Useless. 

You have to go back to a proper blueprint and start from there. Let the veteran defenders leave for better contracts, or trade them fro draft picks. The defense is irrelevant at this point as you will see again this Sunday when our 1st rounds all over the field do next to nothing to stop and injury riddled TB team. What needs to be done is to build an excellent o-line, and give that o-line time to gel together. Once the excellent o-line has been built, then we turn our attention to drafting a QB. Then you allow the QB to gain experience behind an excellent pass blocking o-line. Then you slowly start to rebuild the defense. Once that is completed you start looking for the final few pieces. Is it a TE, RB, WR, or something else? Then you start making SB runs and try and win the damn thing. We're at the build the o-line phase. Next is QB. Then defense. Then last few pieces. Then the SB window opens.

What super bowl winning teams have followed this model other than KC in the past 10 years.

[pantherj]

2 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

What super bowl winning teams have followed this model other than KC in the past 10 years.

I'm not doing researcher for you dude. Argue with someone else.

[Tbe]

37 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

finding a franchise qb is luck?  wtf?

It largely is. You can’t plan to get one.

[Panthercougar68]

1 minute ago, pantherj said:

I'm not doing researcher for you dude. Argue with someone else.

[BlitzMonster]

Keep building up the team until you can draft one.  That way all of the pieces are (mostly) set for the rookie to succeed.    Use a veteran game-manager QB during the build-up period.  

 

 

[Tbe]

17 minutes ago, pantherj said:

SB history says a franchise QB is necessary to win the SB if your talking about the current modern rules.

Watson doesn't want to come here unfortunately.

Without a franchise QB building the defense is unwise, see our current Panthers with their completely built defense. Useless. 

You have to go back to a proper blueprint and start from there. Let the veteran defenders leave for better contracts, or trade them for draft picks. The defense is irrelevant at this point as you will see again this Sunday when our 1st rounders all over the field do next to nothing to stop an injury riddled TB team. What needs to be done is to build an excellent o-line, and give that o-line time to gel together. Once the excellent o-line has been built, then we turn our attention to drafting a QB. Then you allow the QB to gain experience behind an excellent pass blocking o-line. Then you slowly start to rebuild the defense. Once that is completed you start looking for the final few pieces. Is it a TE, RB, WR, or something else? Then you start making SB runs and try and win the damn thing. We're at the build the o-line phase. Next is QB. Then defense. Then last few pieces. Then the SB window opens.

Lol…if only it was that simple.

Look at the average roster turnover on a nfl team and you’ll see why that ‘blueprint’ doesn’t work.

[WOW!!]

Build the trenches and the QB will come.  

[BrianS]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

finding a franchise qb is luck?  wtf?

YES!

If it wasn't luck, then top 10 QB's would always be All-Pros, right?

Jameis Winston threw for 40 TD's and 10 INT's his freshman year at Florida State.  He was the number one overall draft pick.  Here's a little bit from a pre-draft evaluation:

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As a pocket passer, Winston is extraordinary. He is phenomenal in the pocket and can carve up a defense. Winston has very good field vision and does a superb job of scanning the field while working through his progressions. It is an innate ability that Winston displayed from the very beginning of his tenure as a starter, and it is extremely rare to see in a college quarterback. The tape shows him hang tough in the face of the pass rush, step into throws when he was going to get hit, and move well in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Sources say that Winston has a good football I.Q. and will impress teams in pre-draft meetings.

Winston also has shown great anticipation and timing. For example, even with pressure in his face he would still throw passes before receivers would make their breaks so the ball would hit them between the numbers as soon as they turned around. Those are phenomenal throws for any level of football. Winston also threw some brilliant passes into tight windows to beat good coverage. When plays would break down, Winston would make plays with his feet, and if defenses left him uncovered, he would hurt them on the ground.

At the Combine, Winston had some slower than expected 40 times of 4.97 and 4.99 seconds, but those aren't relevant to why Winston is the top-rated quarterback and favorite to be the first-overall pick. Winston made some beautiful throws with touch and accuracy in the field drills. It was an impressive display with his footwork and timing. Winston ripped off a series of NFL throws and looked like an NFL starter taking part in the Combine. Franchises won't care about his 40 time and will be more focused on how well he threw the ball.

Winston can do it all as a quarterback and enters the NFL ready to start quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if he is a good starter immediately similar to Andrew Luck with the Colts. The off-the-field issues are the only things that could derail Winston from reaching his potential.

Yea, all those things people thought they knew about him as a QB?  Nope, they knew nothing.

Marcus Mariota played three years of college football, threw 105 TD's to 14 INT's.  Where is he now?

If you somehow stumbled across the QB crystal ball, you will shortly be very, very rich.  Otherwise, yea, finding a franchise QB is just a best guess and a lot of luck.

 

[BrianS]

2 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

What super bowl winning teams have followed this model other than KC in the past 10 years.

Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, Seattle, Denver . . . pretty much every team not named New England?

[The Lobo]

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