I have more Faith in Scott Fitterer than Rhule.

[mc52beast]

Did Scott remind everyone that he wasn’t sitting on a throne in a room high above everyone else making all the decisions???

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I thought our last draft was very good, and he also did a great job of working the draft board.

Our pro scouting needs a major overhaul though.

[54th man]

What Fitterer is going to have to do is slowly yet firmly grab the reigns from Matt rhule and take control of u Jr duties he should have be given from day one.

[SmokinwithWilly]

One thing that is often left out of the conversation with regard to Darnold is while we did trade 3 picks for him and Fitts did sign that 5th year extension, it was Rhule's job to develop him. Darnold looks worse, not better. You can blame Fitts, you can blame Sam. But if Matt isn't doing his job of developing his QB, it's all for naught anyway. Just like everything else wrong in Carolina, it all leads back to Matt Rhule (and ultimately Tepper for not firing him).

[YourLastThought]

I have more faith in my cat to run this team than I do Rhule after what I have seen the past two seasons. Not pretending I'm some prodigy football god of knowledge or anything close but Rhule's ass is paid millions to be a football god of knowledge and he has proven to be the exact opposite so I have a right to my opinion. I truly feel most any person on this message board could have at worst run this team slightly better than Rhule and I would be willing to bet money on it. It is truly a laugh how pathetic things have gotten with this grossly overpaid goof ball. Fit may very well be okay but he is overshadowed by the bumbling narcissistic idiot Rhule.

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by YourLastThought

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

One thing that is often left out of the conversation with regard to Darnold is while we did trade 3 picks for him and Fitts did sign that 5th year extension, it was Rhule's job to develop him. Darnold looks worse, not better. You can blame Fitts, you can blame Sam. But if Matt isn't doing his job of developing his QB, it's all for naught anyway. Just like everything else wrong in Carolina, it all leads back to Matt Rhule (and ultimately Tepper for not firing him).

Valid

[frankw]

I'm iffy on anyone currently making decisions or having input in this front office. Wheeling and dealing got us into this mess. We got trade happy and didn't even come away with a for sure starter at what was our biggest area of need at the time and still is. Idk why folks are still forming a line to give Scott Fitterer sloppy toppy but he has just as much to prove as Rhule.

Edited January 16, 2022 by frankw

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

I'm iffy on anyone currently making decisions or having input in this front office. Wheeling and dealing got us into this mess. We got trade happy and didn't even come away with a for sure starter at what was our biggest area of need at the time and still is. Idk why folks are still forming a line to give Scott Fitterer sloppy toppy but he has just as much to prove as Rhule.

I'm not forming up to give Fitts a sloppy anything. I'm saying right now, it's unknown if Fitts is the problem because Rhule is so much of the problem. 

He does not put players in the best position to succeed. He neutralized the real DROY by playing him out of position. He kept trying to force Brady in at guard when it was obvious in preseason he was playing better at LT. He refused to play Brown at RG because of his "weight". Darnold regressed. TMJ barely saw the field. Neither did Shi. His FA versatile linemen sucked just like we knew they would.

Fitts made mistakes in his first offseason no doubt. The day 1 contract numbers to Elf and Erving. Taking a long snapper over Smith. The Darnold trade (price)and extension (though I understand the logic).

Fitts needs to be judged without Rhule to be judged fairly. 

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm not forming up to give Fitts a sloppy anything. I'm saying right now, it's unknown if Fitts is the problem because Rhule is so much of the problem. 

He does not put players in the best position to succeed. He neutralized the real DROY by playing him out of position. He kept trying to force Brady in at guard when it was obvious in preseason he was playing better at LT. He refused to play Brown at RG because of his "weight". Darnold regressed. TMJ barely saw the field. Neither did Shi. His FA versatile linemen sucked just like we knew they would.

Fitts made mistakes in his first offseason no doubt. The day 1 contract numbers to Elf and Erving. Taking a long snapper over Smith. The Darnold trade (price)and extension (though I understand the logic).

Fitts needs to be judged without Rhule to be judged fairly. 

Please explain this logic behind the Darnold extension? What was there to gain? 

[SmokinwithWilly]

19 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Please explain this logic behind the Darnold extension? What was there to gain? 

 

Fitts just spent a 2nd, 4th and 6th in 2023 to get the HC his guy at QB. Since it's Rhule and Fitts first season working together, they know each other only by conversation to this point and some in office stuff. There hasn't been any in season working together. Rhule's rookie season the team looked to overachieve, a DROY candidate, and 8 games lost by a single score, a good sign that Rhule is on the right track after his first season. There's a little credibility established.

Enter the offseason and the draft. We tried to trade down but couldn't get the right asking price. I assume this was for Slater. We didn't, and Horn was our pick. Not a bad pick, not an all pro LT (hs 20/20). No Fields, no Mac, no other QB. Sam is our guy. The 5th year pretty much becomes a requirement at this point. You can't spend picks in 2023 on a rebuilding team for a QB that won't be on the team in 2023. 

Now Fitts had to expect Rhule to develop Darnold. You make that trade and extension and that's a virtual requirement. For every overachievement in his rookie season, Rhule underachieved and tanked his sophomore year as we all witnessed. Other than a couple of players like Shaq and Luvu, this entire squad went backwards. 

Believing in Rhule, believing in the bullshit, believing the hype, the Darnold extension makes sense from a GM perspective. When you see how Rhule devolved during the season, especially after Dallas, it was the worst possible scenario come to fruition. 

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

 

Fitts just spent a 2nd, 4th and 6th in 2023 to get the HC his guy at QB. Since it's Rhule and Fitts first season working together, they know each other only by conversation to this point and some in office stuff. There hasn't been any in season working together. Rhule's rookie season the team looked to overachieve, a DROY candidate, and 8 games lost by a single score, a good sign that Rhule is on the right track after his first season. There's a little credibility established.

Enter the offseason and the draft. We tried to trade down but couldn't get the right asking price. I assume this was for Slater. We didn't, and Horn was our pick. Not a bad pick, not an all pro LT (hs 20/20). No Fields, no Mac, no other QB. Sam is our guy. The 5th year pretty much becomes a requirement at this point. You can't spend picks in 2023 on a rebuilding team for a QB that won't be on the team in 2023. 

Now Fitts had to expect Rhule to develop Darnold. You make that trade and extension and that's a virtual requirement. For every overachievement in his rookie season, Rhule underachieved and tanked his sophomore year as we all witnessed. Other than a couple of players like Shaq and Luvu, this entire squad went backwards. 

Believing in Rhule, believing in the bullshit, believing the hype, the Darnold extension makes sense from a GM perspective. When you see how Rhule devolved during the season, especially after Dallas, it was the worst possible scenario come to fruition. 

Why was it a requirement? Just because the team traded picks for a project. Him only costing 4.7M for a year long tryout was the purpose. What rule says a team must double down on something with no upside. As I’ve explained many times, before this happened and even today, there was no upside. If he goes Tannehill(unlikely but best case) he signs a 30M/year contract with a first year probably less than the 19M they guaranteed him. So where was the financial logic in any of this decision making? 
 

     Giving guarantees to justify a horrible trade is not a requirement in the NFL. It a shotgun to the stomach. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Why was it a requirement? Just because the team traded picks for a project. Him only costing 4.7M for a year long tryout was the purpose. What rule says a team must double down on something with no upside. As I’ve explained many times, before this happened and even today, there was no upside. If he goes Tannehill(unlikely but best case) he signs a 30M/year contract with a first year probably less than the 19M they guaranteed him. So where was the financial logic in any of this decision making? 
 

     Giving guarantees to justify a horrible trade is not a requirement in the NFL. It a shotgun to the stomach. 

The trade was based on the belief and expectation that Rhule could turn Darnold around. That could take 1 season, possibly 2. I think the mistake was made before the trade ever happened. Minshew, who was a better project and who I wanted, could have been had for far less. But what was more disturbing was how little film it turns out Rhule actually watched. The Darnold extension, and this is just my personal belief, was based on faith in Rhules abilities to transform him, not on Darnold himself. I fully believe Fitts regrets this even if he isn't publicly saying so. 

 

[catnip]

What about comp pics .  Will we be getting a 3rd round pic this next draft ?   Also we could sign and trade a player which we really don't  won't to keep to a team willing to give us something of value to not let that player enter an open market

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The trade was based on the belief and expectation that Rhule could turn Darnold around. That could take 1 season, possibly 2. I think the mistake was made before the trade ever happened. Minshew, who was a better project and who I wanted, could have been had for far less. But what was more disturbing was how little film it turns out Rhule actually watched. The Darnold extension, and this is just my personal belief, was based on faith in Rhules abilities to transform him, not on Darnold himself. I fully believe Fitts regrets this even if he isn't publicly saying so. 

 

If it took two, how much do you think it would cost to keep him for that second year? Being that he had to have had an average year , at best, if you need another year to decide. Sure wouldn’t  be 19M. As I’ve said since April, this was the most illogical cap related move I can remember any team making.