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Alright screw it, take Pickett

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23 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Lance never played anyone with more talent on the roster than NDSU has so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Allen was just a guy who was rough around the edges but was a superb piece to cut and polish.

I do not want Willis at all. People say he crumbled against teams with more talent? So what.

App State's Zac Thomas took App State to Penn State and App was up 38-31 with 30 seconds left in that game. App went to UNC and USC and won in 2019. That USC team had beat UGA and UNC was a 2-point conversion from besting Clemson. Zac Thomas wasn't an NFL prospect and he managed to do that.

Willis, if he was a true 1st round pick, would have elevated his teammates, especially with a guy like Freeze designing the offense. Willis will be a massive bust and I don't even want to see the Panthers work him out.

Hell Lance struggled against Illinois St 10/21 no TDs and 11 rushes for 41 yards. What do you think he would have done against a SEC school? Again how did Allen do against better talented teams in college? Even Mahomes sucked it up against Iowa St who probably had less talent than Texas Tech. Willis would be a pick based on potential more than where he is at now. Similar to Lance and Allen. 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I keep wondering if the people who so badly want Willis have actually watched him when he's had to play against good competition.

I have, and it was ugly.

Literally watching the game vs. Ole Miss right now and all it's doing is solidifying him and Corral as better prospects than Pickett for me. Corral looks like the cleaner of the two, but Willis' ceiling is clearly higher.

His OL forgot they were playing that day from the looks of how it's played out so far. I noticed that Willis had 27 rushing attempts in the box score, which is likely a direct result of the OL play (further evidenced by the 9 sacks that he took, one of them coming on a 3-man rush).

One of his picks came as a result of a WR giving up and getting stripped. The one that he had at the end of the first half though was really bad and made concerned me about his ability to read a defense. He had a man heading up the middle of the field that looked like the better option from the moment the snap occurred.

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20 minutes ago, Icege said:

Literally watching the game vs. Ole Miss right now and all it's doing is solidifying him and Corral as better prospects than Pickett for me. Corral looks like the cleaner of the two, but Willis' ceiling is clearly higher.

His OL forgot they were playing that day from the looks of how it's played out so far. I noticed that Willis had 27 rushing attempts in the box score, which is likely a direct result of the OL play (further evidenced by the 9 sacks that he took, one of them coming on a 3-man rush).

One of his picks came as a result of a WR giving up and getting stripped. The one that he had at the end of the first half though was really bad and made concerned me about his ability to read a defense. He had a man heading up the middle of the field that looked like the better option from the moment the snap occurred.

Looks like someone actually is watching the game vs looking at the stats. Willis and Howell had awful OL play all year. 

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3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Looks like someone actually is watching the game vs looking at the stats. Willis and Howell had awful OL play all year. 

Holy poo Sam's OL was terrible. I've watched UNC vs. Pitt, WF, Duke, and ND so far (wanting to watch NC State so that I can watch Ekwonu as well) and he was constantly under duress.

The Liberty OL was supposed to be experienced but I read that their LG + RT dealt with injuries throughout the season. They look every bit the part of a bad OL tho.

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

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On the latest episode of PFN’s Between the Hashes podcast, PFN Chief Draft Analyst and NFL Insider Tony Pauline spoke at length about Pickett, touching on both his draft stock and the hand size concerns. Pauline began with Pickett’s draft stock and had this to say about where the Panthers passer is trending:

“The overall belief in the league is he’ll be the first quarterback drafted,” Pauline said. “He probably will be a first-round pick, but he’s really a third-round prospect. And he’ll be a first-round pick and the first quarterback drafted only because of the need at the position. I don’t know if Matt Corral passes him. I don’t think he does, but everything right now looks like Kenny Pickett will be the first quarterback drafted.

“We talked about last week: If he goes to the Senior Bowl, has a good week of practices, because the Senior Bowl is a king-maker at a lot of positions — most importantly the quarterback position. Carson Wentz, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers — guys who went there as Day 2 picks, fringe first-rounders, then just skyrocketed up draft boards. That’s the opportunity that is in front of Pickett, and I hope he takes hold of it.”

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The section in bold print is what concerns me. If Pickett had come out last year he likely would have been a Day 2 selection. I'd be a little nervous investing a top 6 pick on him, especially if the team has an O-line as bad as the 2021 Carolina Panthers.

Then again, the  2021 season had several teams starting QB's drafted outside of the 1st round:  Derek Carr, Russel Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kurt Cousins, and Tom Brady. So, Pauline's rating doesn't mean he'll never succeed in the NFL. No position seems more difficult to properly evaluate in pro football than QB.

 

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34 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

After reading your scouting report I'm beginning to think you need to get a job in the Panther scouting department 😃.

Just curious, where is Zappe projected to go in the 2022 draft?

If McCall is as good as you say he is then he should be picked in the top 5 for sure. More than one team will seriously consider trading up to get him if they need a QB. Since Rhule is returning, I'd be surprised if we're not picking in the top 12-15.

Who are the other top prospects in 2023?

 

 

I just follow G5 football closely since I'm an App State fan and ECU alum. The only guys I know of that I'd be really interested in taking this year and next year are Zappe and McCall.

McCall will be a first round pick, maybe even top 10. Zappe was a system player at Houston Baptist and then WKU but in a true spread offense he could be dynamite in the NFL with his ball placement, reaction time, and football IQ.

I really, really want McCall though.

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On the latest episode of PFN’s Between the Hashes podcast, PFN Chief Draft Analyst and NFL Insider Tony Pauline spoke at length about Pickett, touching on both his draft stock and the hand size concerns. Pauline began with Pickett’s draft stock and had this to say about where the Panthers passer is trending:

“The overall belief in the league is he’ll be the first quarterback drafted,” Pauline said. “He probably will be a first-round pick, but he’s really a third-round prospect. And he’ll be a first-round pick and the first quarterback drafted only because of the need at the position. I don’t know if Matt Corral passes him. I don’t think he does, but everything right now looks like Kenny Pickett will be the first quarterback drafted.

“We talked about last week: If he goes to the Senior Bowl, has a good week of practices, because the Senior Bowl is a king-maker at a lot of positions — most importantly the quarterback position. Carson Wentz, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers — guys who went there as Day 2 picks, fringe first-rounders, then just skyrocketed up draft boards. That’s the opportunity that is in front of Pickett, and I hope he takes hold of it.”

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The section in bold print is what concerns me. If Pickett had come out last year he likely would have been a Day 2 selection. I'd be a little nervous investing a top 6 pick on him, especially if the team has an O-line as bad as the 2021 Carolina Panthers.

Then again, the  2021 season had several teams starting QB's drafted outside of the 1st round:  Derek Carr, Russel Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kurt Cousins, and Tom Brady. So, Pauline's rating doesn't mean he'll never succeed in the NFL. No position seems more difficult to properly evaluate in pro football than QB.

 

To be clear, I'm not a fan.

I do, however, suspect he could be our pick based on not just the hype but also his prior relationship with Matt Rhule.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I did watch the game.

Even allowing for the OL issues, I wasn't impressed with his passing or his running.

Wasn’t trying to single you out, just in general people are looking at Willis and Howell’s stats during certain games without watching the tape. The stats are important, but don’t tell the full story IMO. Willis is definitely raw, but has a cannon for an arm and can launch it off the run. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be clear, I'm not a fan.

I do, however, suspect he could be our pick based on not just the hype but also his prior relationship with Matt Rhule.

Didn't Rhule try to recruit him?

Now, i want to go O-line, especially since we won't pick again until round four. But, I wouldn't jump out of a 10 story window if we did get him. If we somehow obtained a quality interior lineman prior to the draft and a decision was made to let BC settle in at LT for the 2022 season, I could probably accept the decision to take a QB at 6 (whether it's Picket or someone else). Let's be honest, even if Pickett is average, I can't see him being any worse than any of the QB's on our roster last year. In addition to that, he's a rookie so he'd have room to improve his game with better coaching.

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