Senior Bowl Quarterbacks: Day One

[BlitzMonster]

I like Willis but picking him at #6 would be a disservice to both him and the Panthers.  The expectations would be way too high and fans/media would demand to see him play.  Which is exactly what he SHOULDN'T do his first year.   The later the pick, the less pressure there is on him.   Willis needs time to learn the NFL game, reading defenses, progressions, etc.  

[Martin]

32 minutes ago, BlitzMonster said:

I like Willis but picking him at #6 would be a disservice to both him and the Panthers.  The expectations would be way too high and fans/media would demand to see him play.  Which is exactly what he SHOULDN'T do his first year.   The later the pick, the less pressure there is on him.   Willis needs time to learn the NFL game, reading defenses, progressions, etc.  

The most important thing is to have a plan for him. Trey Lance sat all year, Mahomes sat his first year, both were very high picks. But there was a clear plan for both and their HC stuck to it. That’s the issue for us. I feel better about it with our new coaches but I don’t trust Rhule

[mrcompletely11]

14 minutes ago, Martin said:

The most important thing is to have a plan for him. Trey Lance sat all year, Mahomes sat his first year, both were very high picks. But there was a clear plan for both and their HC stuck to it. That’s the issue for us. I feel better about it with our new coaches but I don’t trust Rhule

I doubt Rhule can afford to simply sit him

[Pazhoosier89]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I doubt Rhule can afford to simply sit him

That is why you sign Cam for a year and let Willis sit and learn behind him.

[mickeye76]

1 hour ago, Pazhoosier89 said:

That is why you sign Cam for a year and let Willis sit and learn behind him.

What's he gonna learn from Cam?  Sorry but Cam also had issues with progression reads.  

[mrcompletely11]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/senior-bowl-deep-dive-qb-class-comparisons/id304434112?i=1000549579426

 

Mel kiper and and Mcshay discuss the senior bowl qbs.   They still think Pickett is the leader. 

Howell-compares to Mayfield with a better arm.  Best deep ball in the draft.  Jittery feet

Willis - best athlete, best arm  accuracy problems over middle,  throws crazy ints

Ridder -  nice arm, mobile, has problems missing on throws way too much.

Strong - needs time to throw, least mobile,  mcshay not impressed,

zappe - back up qb.  Small, air raid qb, first read qb, not a powerful arm

 

General kiper and MCshay play nice and dont get too critical but said for sure Pickett is a first rounder and the others could make a case during the SB practices but nobody really stands out in this class

[mrcompletely11]

https://theathletic.com/podcast/211-the-athletic-football-show/?episode=316

 

Brugler and Zeirlen chime in.  Neither are high on any of these dudes.  Said Pickett struggled in the rain.  Willis, Howell and Zappe were wildly inconsistent with their throws.  No qb has shined yet.  No clear qb 1. Nobody is stepping up.

 

Pickett ok

ridder up and down, looks slow

Willis looks the best so far, ball flys off his hand. Weird body type, thick and strong, inconsistent, has potential and shown flashes.   Question about the timeline of his development.  probably 2 years, need to simplify things pre snap.

 

In general the qbs just arent accurate.  Strong trying to do too much with his arm.

 

Thursdays practice will be huge according to them

 

Good podcast they do a pretty good deep dive on Willis toward the end.  They like him but damn he has his work cut out for him

[BlitzMonster]

Guys with big arms look like gods when it's shorts and t-shirts.  It's easy to be seduced by the 50 yard frozen rope.  But when the NFL players start flying at you, you win games by reading the defenses correctly, going through your progressions and making the right play with accurate throws.   And you only figure out if a player can do that by looking at miles of tape.   

The thing that concerns me about Willis is that he sat out a season (the perfect opportunity to learn) but didn't get that much better when he started playing.   He still seems to be a 1 read guy who most often beats the competition with his great athleticism.  And that's not going to work as often in the NFL where everybody is a great athlete.  

Willis probably needs 1-2 years to get ready.  Will he become a film junkie and constantly work on his craft.  A Russel Wilson ?  A Tom Brady ?   Because that's what it will take.   And also a secure coaching staff and stable franchise to be patient with him.   Who won't throw him to the wolves before he's ready.  Like SF has done with Trey Lance or KC with Mahomes.  The team drafting him has to have institutional discipline to stay the course.  

If all that happens, Willis is likely to become a top NFL QB.  But so many things could go wrong on that journey.   He's a big risk, big reward prospect. 

As such I think Carolina would do a lot better taking the safer, more sure thing LT.  This draft has several of them who are all ready to go from game 1.  And with new OL coach Campen giving his opinion on the selection, I think the likelihood of success with that pick is pretty high.  It's just the smart play.

[Jay Roosevelt]

I'm still on the OL train at this point. I just don't see any of these QBs this year as worth the #6 pick or as good fits for our situation. Fix the OL above all else. I'd feel differently if there was a legit top prospect at QB that could be available, but that just isn't the case here.

[LinvilleGorge]

Howell will be the best QB on the field today. Because he just is.

[ForJimmy]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Howell will be the best QB on the field today. Because he just is.

Lol that’s some deep poo there…

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Lol that’s some deep poo there…

[TheSpecialJuan]

Anyone know of a streaming site where I can watch the game today 

[BlitzMonster]

Rich Eisen show - the discussion with Albert Breer Feb 5th

 

some quotes from the very beginning of the interview:

• at the Senior Bowl:  "I don't know if there's a single NFL starter out there. "
• "this draft class is not great"
• "the worst since 2013"