Trade Down or Trade Away Player(s)

[RumHam]

On 2/13/2022 at 7:29 PM, CPantherKing said:

With the 2022 draft talent pool, you trade down. The talent between the 2 and 5th round are very close to the the 1st round talent in this draft. There are only 10 to 12 players worth a 1st round pick in this draft pool.

but we need one of those 10-12 players.

[RumHam]

listen, analyitics helped get us into this mess. continuing that with trading down instead of going BPA and having a franchise player isn't going to help. but then every decision this regime makes is about as good as the government so.

[MickMixon'sMetaphors]

“Yes”

[Trade6pick4K.Murray]

Trade for Murray with the sixth pick, send them Darnold for their 4th....LMAO best case 

[Khyber53]

Let's hope they do neither. The fewer picks that Rhule has, the better it will be for the organization. Hopefully he can somehow nail the first rounder and then just fiddle about with the rest of the picks like he did last time. 

Let's just get this last season of Rhule over with quickly and with as little long term damage as possible.

[kungfoodude]

13 hours ago, AU-panther said:

If we trade him pre June 1st we would lose about $4.2m in cap space, not sure if I would call that cap suicide.  If we trade him after June 1st we would actually save about $8.6m in cap space this year.

[grimesgoat]

There are some silly takes on this thread due to a misunderstanding of CMCs Contract.

In 2022, our choices are - keep CMC with a cap hit of 14.3m, or trade/cut him for a cap hit of 26.6m.  There is no savings.  We lose the player and an additional 12.3m.  We're paying 12.3m for whatever we can get in a trade.  Who wants to pay 12.3m for a 2nd or a 3rd rounder?

Or we keep him for a year.  Maybe he returns to form or maybe he's hurt all year.  Who knows.

Then in 2023 our choices are - keep CMC with a cap hit of 17.7m or trade/cut him for a cap hit of 12.8m.  We save 4.9m and if traded, we get something for him.  This is a far more likely scenario.

Unless someone is giving me a 1st and 2nd for CMC, I'm not losing that extra 12.3m this year. 

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

that's a very vague question.....

[AU-panther]

2 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

There are some silly takes on this thread due to a misunderstanding of CMCs Contract.

In 2022, our choices are - keep CMC with a cap hit of 14.3m, or trade/cut him for a cap hit of 26.6m.  There is no savings.  We lose the player and an additional 12.3m.  We're paying 12.3m for whatever we can get in a trade.  Who wants to pay 12.3m for a 2nd or a 3rd rounder?

Or we keep him for a year.  Maybe he returns to form or maybe he's hurt all year.  Who knows.

Then in 2023 our choices are - keep CMC with a cap hit of 17.7m or trade/cut him for a cap hit of 12.8m.  We save 4.9m and if traded, we get something for him.  This is a far more likely scenario.

Unless someone is giving me a 1st and 2nd for CMC, I'm not losing that extra 12.3m this year. 

wrong

cutting and trading a player have different cap implications.

CMC's cap hit this year if he plays:  $14.3m

CMC's cap hit if cut before June 1st:  $26.6m (12.3m loss in cap space)

CMC;s cap hit if traded before June 1st:  $18.5m (4.2m loss in cap space)

Part of that 26.6m in dead money that your reference is $8.1m in guaranteed salary for this upcoming year, guaranteed salary can be traded and most likely the next team would account for.

If we trade him after June 1st the numbers change even more

CMCs cap hit this year if traded after June 1st: $5.7m, which would be a 2022 cap savings of $8.7m.

Of course that would leave a cap hit of $12.8m for 2023, but that would actually be less then the $17.7m if he played in 2023.

Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

click on the red arrow to the right of the 2022 year and spotrac will break all of this down for you.

 

 

 

[thefuzz]

15 hours ago, AU-panther said:

If we trade him pre June 1st we would lose about $4.2m in cap space, not sure if I would call that cap suicide.  If we trade him after June 1st we would actually save about $8.6m in cap space this year.

This is wrong.

If there is a boat to be had, trade back while staying in the top 12 or so.  If not BPA and attempt to trade a player for a day two pick...or two.

Play out the season as if we are the worst team in the league and try not to mortgage anymore of the future.

[AU-panther]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is wrong.

If there is a boat to be had, trade back while staying in the top 12 or so.  If not BPA and attempt to trade a player for a day two pick...or two.

Play out the season as if we are the worst team in the league and try not to mortgage anymore of the future.

and exactly how is that wrong?

Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

click the red x to the right of the 2022 year and it will clearly list the cap implications for the different cut and trade scenarios

[SetfreexX]

The most efficient option is to sell the pick, if we get anything similar to what was received for #6 last year, then do it so long as we stay in the top 15. 

Take BPA / OL / QB, and use those additional picks as chess pieces in the draft to continue to build out OL depth as we will only be so active in FA based on our ''current'' cap situation as of 2/15/22.

That trade should secure a future first, so if we can get Willis, add OL on Day 2, or even trade newly acquired Day 2 picks to add more Day 2 / 3 picks to continue to build out the roster. 

If we don't take a QB, we'll have ammo in 23' with that future 1st + our own to make a move IF needed. 

 

[SetfreexX]

13 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

wrong

cutting and trading a player have different cap implications.

CMC's cap hit this year if he plays:  $14.3m

CMC's cap hit if cut before June 1st:  $26.6m (12.3m loss in cap space)

CMC;s cap hit if traded before June 1st:  $18.5m (4.2m loss in cap space)

Part of that 26.6m in dead money that your reference is $8.1m in guaranteed salary for this upcoming year, guaranteed salary can be traded and most likely the next team would account for.

If we trade him after June 1st the numbers change even more

CMCs cap hit this year if traded after June 1st: $5.7m, which would be a 2022 cap savings of $8.7m.

Of course that would leave a cap hit of $12.8m for 2023, but that would actually be less then the $17.7m if he played in 2023.

Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

click on the red arrow to the right of the 2022 year and spotrac will break all of this down for you.

 

 

 

If a team traded for CMC, AND took the guaranteed money we're looking at less pick value and that is not worth it as the trading team is going to look at picking up the guaranteed money as trade value give to us as well. 

Trading CMC is not the option, fielding a competent offense is, and trading #6 would recoup more value than trading a back that's on a big deal, has several years left, and finished the last two years on IR.

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

and exactly how is that wrong?

Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

click the red x to the right of the 2022 year and it will clearly list the cap implications for the different cut and trade scenarios

   I see you’re still trying to teach algebra to cats. How can someone not understand the simple math involved with the salary cap? And, as you said, the site does the work for you and they still have no clue. As they call you wrong and silly for being 100% correct.