What if Rhule turns out to be a really good just being a coach?

[Jon Snow]

If so the crows will go extinct.  All the crow that will have to be eaten from the fanbase will certainly wipe then out. Myself included. 

Yes, my hope is that the time and money that has been invested in him will be well worth it. So far I have yet to see any sort of culture being established.

But I'm keeping an open mind while reserving the right to bitch once and I while when he inevitably screws up.

[SizzleBuzz]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Matt Rhule isn't in hiding because people are mean to him.  He is in hiding the Panthers have been a mess and Matt Rhule consistently has made himself and the Panther look bad when he talks about the mess.  It's PR move.   And frankly the right one if you are the Panthers.  But it highlights some problems that it became the right move. 

Nonsense, all of it...

...you don't have the facts!

[Khyber53]

I'll believe it when I see it in late January or early February.

If we're not playing meaningful football at the year's end, Rhule won't be coaching football again.

[Davidson Deac II]

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is kind of why a "flipside" sort of question applies...

What happens if the seasoned NFL assistants come to understand they're serving under someone who's not as smart as they are?

The team will get better, they will leave, and the team will then get worse. 

On the flip side, what if they realize he is smart, but very inexperienced?  

Not that I believe this is true, but the possibility

[mc52beast]

21 hours ago, rayzor said:

The best thing he can do is nothing.

The best thing he can do to help the team win is do nothing.

Let the GMs make personnel decisions and let his coaches run the show. 

Dude signed a 63m dollar contract. He should have to do something.

[rayzor]

49 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Dude signed a 63m dollar contract. He should have to do something.

Nope. Maybe watch and listen and learn, but when he tries to do his coach's jobs, he's failed. The best thing he can do for the team is nothing. Just let his coaches do their job. Stay out of the way.

[4Corners]

I want him to succeed. I really do. I think most of us want him to be a good coach. I was excited about the hire. Matt seems like a good dude and someone you can have a beer with and he wouldn’t try to big time you if you saw him out in public. It’s nothing personal. 
 

but you are what your record says you are. I am by no means a football scientist but I’ve seen enough to come to the conclusion that he is not the right coach for this team. Too many coaching miscues, playcalling, roster management, he doesn’t make adjustments, the product on the field 7/10 times is not good. The fan support is dropping. I don’t know what else to say. He isn’t coaching at a mid level college program where 5-6 wins is a good season. The fact that Tepper supports this garbage makes it even worse. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by 4Corners

[Sgt Schultz]

11 hours ago, SCO96 said:

I always believed (and said on this forum) that we were looking at a 3 year rebuild when Rhule was hired. Year 2 was so bad that we're now a year behind. I think 2023 is the year we make some noise in the division and the conference. I just want to see some progression this year. A strong 2023 draft class could put us in a position to challenge for a conference title over the next 4-5 seasons.

You summed up my problem with this past year:  it left us pretty much where we were at this time last year.  In fact, we may have more unanswered questions.  And as somebody said, we were entertaining in 2020, which gave hope.  We were like a bad movie in 2021.  And Rhule looked completely lost.

I don't know if Rhule has learned anything or not, because I have no idea who made the decisions we have seen since late in the season.  Was it Rhule, Tepper, Tepper at the behest of Fitts, Rhule after being schooled by Fitts, or the janitor. People do change and learn, but they tend to do it very slowly and then only after some major event, like being canned, divorced, nearly meeting their maker, etc.

All that said, if he divests himself of all non-HC duties and is successful in that role, I am good with it.  I think he will be the first HC I have ever seen grab "total control," come to the conclusion it was more than they could handle, and give it up (on their own or under duress) with the same organization. 

If Rhule made/makes that decision on his own and it works, it takes somebody with a rare combination of the best human qualities. That is why it is extremely rare.

My bar is the same as yours SCO96.  If we can walk out of 2022 having reached the improvement we should have seen in 2021, I'll be happy.  I'd have be happy with 8 or 9 wins, overall competitiveness, and a feeling that our roster is pretty solid in most areas.