Tuesday practice tweets

[ECHornet]

1 minute ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I do not see the Browns game as a huge benchmark of anything, unless it is a rout one way or another.  My reasoning has nothing to do with reps, Rhule's playing checkers on the chess board, the phase of the moon, or much of anything else that has been discussed here.

Increasingly over the years, the quality of play in the NFL is rough in September.  The first four weeks of the season are about like two boxers "feeling each other out" in the opening rounds.  There are teams that have been notoriously good in September and then flew south and became what everybody expected later.  Likewise, there have been teams that have struggled in September, then found their legs and charged on.

Our problem is that for the second consecutive year, we have three (or four if you count Arizona who has mailed it in against the Panthers since that infamous playoff game following the 2008 season) games that are easier potential wins than the bulk of our schedule.  It does not bode well if we don't collect those wins, but in terms of "style points," I don't expect a lot from us or anybody else, nor do they mean much at that stage of the season.

I see your point, but when discussing (whining about) the split of reps in preseason, there is some thought of “this player will not be prepared.” 
 

Well, what would show that they were prepared and the repetitions in camp were appropriate? I don’t think you can use performance in November as proof that reps in preseason weren’t divided up well. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, ECHornet said:

 

Well, what would show that they were prepared and the repetitions in camp were appropriate?

Maybe not have local and national writers saying Baker looks out of sync with the first team.  That would be a start

[ECHornet]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Maybe not have local and national writers saying Baker looks out of sync with the first team.  That would be a start

Setting the benchmark based on the national media. lol and yikes 

[TheCasillas]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Maybe not have local and national writers saying Baker looks out of sync with the first team.  That would be a start

Are you saying that it has been reported that Baker looks out of sync with the offense? Or saying that if they has reported that.. then that’s gonna be an issue?

 

I know that Mondays practice had some tweets about his accuracy. However, it sounded like he moved the ball well against the patriots day 2 of practice and CO’s Ellis has been praising baker daily when he attends practice (outside of Monday)

Edited August 24, 2022 by TheCasillas

[Sgt Schultz]

3 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

I see your point, but when discussing (whining about) the split of reps in preseason, there is some thought of “this player will not be prepared.” 
 

Well, what would show that they were prepared and the repetitions in camp were appropriate? I don’t think you can use performance in November as proof that reps in preseason weren’t divided up well. 

The benchmark for that is units looking like they are in sync (no gaffes about assignments that leave people unblocked) and just how rusty they look.  Other than obvious screw-ups, if the OL picks up blitz assignments well (other than maybe the occasional delayed blitz), that is probably a decent indication.

I keep pointing at the OL because that is where repetition as a unit is most obvious.  But it can also be the back 7 on the defense.  For whatever reason, I read an account of the Rams adjustments on the field for the final play of their Super Bowl win against the Titans eons ago, and it makes one appreciate the reads and communications on the field (in that case, adjustments called by the MLB and S).  That stuff won't be perfect in September, but what we are looking for is groups that are familiar with what each other will do.

A lot of this does not appear in the highlights or stats.  It is underlying things that have to be seen by eye, and often after the fact.  In short, "are they ready as units?"  It does not quantify well.  So, the debate will likely continue unless they are very polished or just horrible.

[frankw]

1 hour ago, Bama Panther said:

Neither does the Huddle. 

The average huddler hasn't been paid 63 million dollars to get their ass kicked by Joe Judge and Brian Flores.

[shaqattaq]

16 hours ago, t96 said:

I'm guessing this is for our "starting" slot WR spot not outside opposite DJ, although from what I've seen he is making a real push to start across from DJ over Robbie in 2 wideout sets. He's been really good this offseason.

DJ, Robbie, Shi, & Higgins is a solid core. A lot of others pushing for those last 2 (or 3) spots.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I do not see the Browns game as a huge benchmark of anything, unless it is a rout one way or another.  My reasoning has nothing to do with reps, Rhule's playing checkers on the chess board, the phase of the moon, or much of anything else that has been discussed here.

I mean, if you wanna use week one as a benchmark, then the game against the Vikings would have counted as the benchmark for the 2001 season.

Kinda didn't go so well after that, though

 

[ECHornet]

3 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

The benchmark for that is units looking like they are in sync (no gaffes about assignments that leave people unblocked) and just how rusty they look.  Other than obvious screw-ups, if the OL picks up blitz assignments well (other than maybe the occasional delayed blitz), that is probably a decent indication.

I keep pointing at the OL because that is where repetition as a unit is most obvious.  But it can also be the back 7 on the defense.  For whatever reason, I read an account of the Rams adjustments on the field for the final play of their Super Bowl win against the Titans eons ago, and it makes one appreciate the reads and communications on the field (in that case, adjustments called by the MLB and S).  That stuff won't be perfect in September, but what we are looking for is groups that are familiar with what each other will do.

A lot of this does not appear in the highlights or stats.  It is underlying things that have to be seen by eye, and often after the fact.  In short, "are they ready as units?"  It does not quantify well.  So, the debate will likely continue unless they are very polished or just horrible.

I think you touched on some things that you can watch for to determine preparation. 
 

Will BC work well with Ekwonu from LG? Will they handle stunts and handoffs well? If they give up sacks/TFL due to poor chemistry & communication, then I’d support those who say BC didn’t get enough reps with the first team at LG. 
 

Will Baker have a good September being on the same page with the receivers? Will he throw a back shoulder when RA keeps running? Will their timing be in sync? The stats will show it, if so. If not, I’d support those who say Baker should have had more 1st team reps. 
 

Until I see that, I’m believing we’ll be ready while others are not. I’ll admit if I was wrong. But if we start strong and look cohesive, those whining now will likely move on and find something else to whine about. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

DJ, Robbie, Shi, & Higgins is a solid core. A lot of others pushing for those last 2 (or 3) spots.

Yeah, that might be as good of a 4 deep at WR as we have had in a few seasons. 

I don't anticipate the WR corps to be viewed as a reason for offensive struggles.

[frankw]

19 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Maybe not have local and national writers saying Baker looks out of sync with the first team.  That would be a start

It's been talked about adnauseum over the years each time of the year around now that the first team offense and especially the offensive line needs reps together as much as possible to get the kinks out. Add in a new OC and a starting quarterback who has been here for only a few months and yes even a blind homer should be able to admit we shouldn't have wasted reps on Sam. If we look sluggish expect the folks acting like this is no big deal to disappear or act deaf dumb and blind about their past remarks.

[ECHornet]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I mean, if you wanna use week one as a benchmark, then the game against the Vikings would have counted as the benchmark for the 2001 season.

Kinda didn't go so well after that, though

 

As a benchmark for splitting repetitions in the preseason and how well that was handled. Not as a benchmark for the entire season. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, ECHornet said:

I think you touched on some things that you can watch for to determine preparation. 
 

Will BC work well with Ekwonu from LG? Will they handle stunts and handoffs well? If they give up sacks/TFL due to poor chemistry & communication, then I’d support those who say BC didn’t get enough reps with the first team at LG. 
 

Will Baker have a good September being on the same page with the receivers? Will he throw a back shoulder when RA keeps running? Will their timing be in sync? The stats will show it, if so. If not, I’d support those who say Baker should have had more 1st team reps. 
 

Until I see that, I’m believing we’ll be ready while others are not. I’ll admit if I was wrong. But if we start strong and look cohesive, those whining now will likely move on and find something else to whine about. 

Don't forget Elflein calling out blocking assignments. Having a competent center has a cascade effect on the entire line. Especially with as many new parts as ours. 

We need to keep an eye on how cohesive that group is early in the season.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, ECHornet said:

As a benchmark for splitting repetitions in the preseason and how well that was handled. Not as a benchmark for the entire season. 

I don't use week one as much of a benchmark for anything, honestly.

But if you want to use it as a benchmark for how training camp went, that might be a bit of a risk. Most teams go into week one looking kind of sloppy on offense, especially given the training camp and practice rules that were imposed by the most recent CBA.