The turf debate

[ladypanther]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34885088/grass-all-nfl-stadiums-safest-players

 Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll and safety Quandre Diggs on Wednesday said they'd like to see a close reexamination of whether NFL stadiums should exclusively use natural grass....

The ongoing conversation about the safety of playing on artificial turf versus natural grass has been raised anew after Seahawks wide receiver DK Metcalf and Los Angeles Chargers cornerback J.C. Jackson suffered knee injuries during Sunday's game at SoFi Stadium, both on noncontact plays....

 

In September 2020, NFL Players Association president JC Tretter called for all teams to use grass fields to reduce the risk of injury to players. Tretter cited NFL injury data from 2012 to 2018 that showed a 28% higher rate of noncontact lower-extremity injuries on artificial turf as compared to grass.

"I know that there's numbers and there's studies," Carroll said. "You've got to figure out who the study comes from and who's paying for it. There's a lot of stuff here that we've got to figure out. We've got to do the right thing, but we definitely need to keep looking at it, because every now and then, it just feels like something is up, too many guys going down when they're not even touching anybody. So we'll see. The turfs are way better than they used to be and all that kind of stuff, but we've just got to see.".....

 

Diggs cited those injuries and the ones on Sunday at SoFi Stadium while expressing his dislike for artificial turf, which he said is firmer and has less give than grass.

"So you see that and you just kind of wonder why can't we have natural grass everywhere," Diggs said. "I love playing in San Francisco and things like that where it's grass and you just go out there and you just go play. Hopefully, we're doing some research on it and seeing what we can do to make things better."....

 

Diggs said there is variance between the turfs at different stadiums, describing SoFi Stadium's as slick and Lumen Field's as "fine" but "a little more sticky than others." He said his foot got stuck in the turf on a missed tackle two weeks ago in a home game against the Cardinals.

"I know it's hard to upkeep grass, but at the end of the day, we've got to do what's best for this billion-dollar industry, and I think the players are a big part of that," Diggs said. "So maybe we can take some ideas from the players."

 

Don't see this changing but it would be nice.  Anyone know where the Panther's turf stands in regards to quality?

 

[Mr. Scot]

Always nice to know that some owners value making money over player safety.

(unfortunately ours is one of them)

[onmyown]

Why do you need to keep relooking at it? We know grass is better, turf is to make money - that’s all. That’s the benefit. Where’s the confusion

[Waldo]

They need to put it into the CBA and I hope they decide to make that push.

[PNW_PantherMan]

There is no excuse for having artificial turf in Charlotte.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Why do you need to keep relooking at it?

To try and get it changed...

[WUnderhill]

15 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

There is no excuse for having artificial turf in Charlotte.

I think it’s more about the concerts and other events at BOA, which is ridiculous because BOA is first and foremost a football stadium.

Unfortunately, we have an owner who’d rather put a feather in his cap and sit at a podium and brag about how he single handedly “brought music to Charlotte” because we were all such uncultured savages before who had never been to a concert.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

When the winter comes with a lot of snow artificial turf can be heated to melt it and be a fairly clean field. But if you have real grass the ground gets really soft and muddy and breaks up tearing up the field. Maybe that is why some stadiums use either artificial or real grass on their fields and the cost is cheaper/expensive for the type they want. Less maintenance with artificial and more maintenance for real grass. The league needs to set guidelines to prevent players injuries and make it all real grass throughout all stadiums to help prevent injuries.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Owners want millions of dollars of tax payer money to build stadiums without grass so they can save money.  

[4Corners]

What kind of grass would be used? Bermuda?

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, 4Corners said:

What kind of grass would be used? Bermuda?

Most likely.  This article has a list of what a lot of stadiums are using.  It's surprising to me how far north Bermuda is used for fields.

https://en.as.com/nfl/what-nfl-stadiums-have-real-grass-what-kind-of-grass-do-they-have-n/

[PNW_PantherMan]

Maybe I should have my whole yard replaced with field turf to save on maintenance at my house 

[4Corners]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Most likely.  This article has a list of what a lot of stadiums are using.  It's surprising to me how far north Bermuda is used for fields.

https://en.as.com/nfl/what-nfl-stadiums-have-real-grass-what-kind-of-grass-do-they-have-n/

NC falls in the transition zone for grass. It can accommodate northern turf (fescue/KBG) and southern turf (Bermuda). Bermuda is a great grass. I really want to tear up yard and and start over with it. 
 

fescue, KBG looks great but a well maintained healthy Bermuda lawn - there is nothing like it. 

[Mr. Scot]

Won't claim to know much about different types of grass.

These days about the only discussion I have of my lawn is me telling people to get off of it