what's more important? early draft pick to hopefully get a stud QB or getting the best HC possible?

[TheCasillas]

18 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

McCarthy to the Cowboys, Mcvay to the Rams, those weren't major rebuilds or desperate situations. Mdaniel to the Dolphins, Chargers and Bengals could potentially open up next year..

i think the topic was a coach turning down a job. If it wasnt, then I replied incorrectly.

[ForJimmy]

A good HC can take a late 1st round or later round QB and develop him properly.  Look at Rodgers, Brees, Lamar, Russ, and now Hurts is looking better.  I've seen plenty of early round QBs get ruined by bad coaches.

[rayzor]

12 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

To answer your question, I feel that a superstar HC is more important that a superstar QB. A great coach can make his players look better that they are (look at what's going on with Russell in Denver). 

However... A superstar coach would know that we tanked, and would recognize the talent (good and bad) on our roster when making a decision.

 

Edit: This would have been an entertaining poll question.

good idea

[cookinbrak]

17 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

A good HC can take a late 1st round or later round QB and develop him properly.  Look at Rodgers, Brees, Lamar, Russ, and now Hurts is looking better.  I've seen plenty of early round QBs get ruined by bad coaches.

Close the thread, this is the correct answer.

[Jon Snow]

Getting the HC right is the most important.  Without that you cannot expect to go anywhere regardless of how good your qb is.

It's not either/or, you need both to win consistently. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Jon Snow

[Wundrbread33]

I’d take a great coach and Corral, over McAdoo calling plays for a number 1 overall pick. 

[rayzor]

34 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont think its that simple as either or.  You need both.

yes, that would be ideal, but what if you don't have both options available?

what if the best choice available for a QB isn't a perennial all-pro, but can be a pretty solid starter...but the HC is a top tier guy?

would that be better than getting that all-pro caliber QB but having a coach who is just ok at stuff?

which would you rather have or would get the team further? a great HC or a great QB?

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

yes, that would be ideal, but what if you don't have both options available?

what if the best choice available for a QB isn't a perennial all-pro, but can be a pretty solid starter...but the HC is a top tier guy?

would that be better than getting that all-pro caliber QB but having a coach who is just ok at stuff?

which would you rather have or would get the team further? a great HC or a great QB?

coach

 

But even with a good coach without a competent qb bad seasons catch up to you.  Plenty of examples of that.

Edited November 18, 2022 by mrcompletely11

[Jon Snow]

29 minutes ago, rayzor said:

yes, that would be ideal, but what if you don't have both options available?

what if the best choice available for a QB isn't a perennial all-pro, but can be a pretty solid starter...but the HC is a top tier guy?

would that be better than getting that all-pro caliber QB but having a coach who is just ok at stuff?

which would you rather have or would get the team further? a great HC or a great QB?

If it's one or the other it's HC 100/100 times.  A great coach can identify potential pro qb's and build a solid team. 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

there are only 32 nfl teams and every single opening is for a bad team, idk where this delusion comes from that bad teams have a hard time attracting quality candidates

Because bad teams often make the mistake of hiring a poor candidate because he has experience. This leads to the perception bad teams can't attract quality candidates.  The very best candidates (ie proven winners) will often sit on the sidelines do tv work or whatnot until a better option than with a known bad organization comes along.

But at the end of the day, by far the most powerful factor is what you mentioned. Only 32 jobs, they are high profile and they pay amazing. Hundreds of coaches from assistant to college ranks would sell they grandmother for the job. They aren't all bad candidates.

[rayzor]

i think i'm just more concerned about making sure that we have the best possible HC here than i am having an elite QB. having that coach takes a ton of pressure off making sure we've got some hopeful stud QB with the #1 or #2 pick. 

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

what if, by tanking, you make the team look like a less desirable situation for the best available HC candidate? 

is it more important to get the right QB or the right HC?

yeah, i know you can get both and money will be a big draw, but forced to choose, which would you say is more important for the future of the franchise? QB or HC?

QB.

And it's not close. 

An awful HC can hamstring your team's ability to compete. A brilliant HC can make your team somewhat more competitive, but the reality is most fall into a range of not brilliant, not awful, but acceptable. Finding a coach who falls into this category is not especially difficult. Getting a top tier QB is orders of magnitude harder because it's orders of magnitude more a crapshoot. The impact that player has on your record is also far greater than all but a few possible coaching options.

The post Tom Brady Patriots make it abundantly clear that Brady was the far bigger factor in the team's success over those years than Bellicheat ever was. 

Sean Payton didn't look like an offensive genius without Brees.

Mike Tomlin has a SB ring, but hardly looks like a world beater without Big Ben.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

Head coach is the most important followed closely by franchise QB. The coach needs to be able to identify the QB and staff that he can build around to win, not the other way around. 

I'd take a great coach > great QB prospect

I'd take an actual great QB > great coach. 

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

QB.

And it's not close. 

An awful HC can hamstring your team's ability to compete. A brilliant HC can make your team somewhat more competitive, but the reality is most fall into a range of not brilliant, not awful, but acceptable. Finding a coach who falls into this category is not especially difficult. Getting a top tier QB is orders of magnitude harder because it's orders of magnitude more a crapshoot. The impact that player has on your record is also far greater than all but a few possible coaching options.

The post Tom Brady Patriots make it abundantly clear that Brady was the far bigger factor in the team's success over those years than Bellicheat ever was. 

Sean Payton didn't look like an offensive genius without Brees.

Mike Tomlin has a SB ring, but hardly looks like a world beater without Big Ben.

Wasnt payton 5-0 with teddy bridgewater?