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29 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Teams won’t trade out of the top pick when it’s a talent like Lawrence with little question marks. You can only get those guys by finishing last. 

My point wasn't their prospect rating - it was that the guy you trade up and draft could be either of those 2 possibilities while Carr is a known talent.  had nothing to do with Trevor's potential - it is his reality

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52 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

You are calling CJ Stroud....ZACH F'N WILSON??? 

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You all are experts at missing the point....the point was trading up for the #2 ranked QB on the board which in 2021 was Wilson.  The risk that he ends up the same as Wilson are higher than him ending up like Trevor is the point.  Try and catch it. 

And don't you EVER use a meme from one of the most underrated movies of all time against me again...show respect to Face Off

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35 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

My point wasn't their prospect rating - it was that the guy you trade up and draft could be either of those 2 possibilities while Carr is a known talent.  had nothing to do with Trevor's potential - it is his reality

You stated there is not one worth trading up for like a Lawrence.  Teams are never going to be able to trade up for picks like that because they aren't for sale.  Mahomes and Allen were question marks that teams traded up for.  Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

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18 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You stated there is not one worth trading up for like a Lawrence.  Teams are never going to be able to trade up for picks like that because they aren't for sale.  Mahomes and Allen were question marks that teams traded up for.  Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

Darnold, Trubisky are two examples - they went #3 and #2 in their drafts that teams gave up a ton thinking they were top tier franchise QB's.....yes it does happen.  But your last point was exactly what I said - you win some you lose some....but only some teams trade tons of picks for the risk and they usually regret it.....like the Jets and Bears.....who still suck because of it.

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36 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Is Carr winning us a SB?

 

He has 1 playoff appearance in his entire career. 

 

We dont need anymore bridge QB's. We will never get our franchise QB that way. Im sorry but your plan is what we have been doing for 3 straight years.

Bridging until you get a franchise QB is a very common strategy - and yes it does work.  There are tons of examples.  It's not like most of the teams in the NFL just go from franchise QB to franchise QB without bridges - they all do it. 

Some teams like Chicago and the Jets drop way too much draft stock and trade up to failure, some get lucky with Mr. Irrelevant.  But all of them sign bridge QB's while they try to find the next Franchise.

If you want to ignore the reality of the team's current situation and trade picks for one of these QB's that is fine, but don't act like bridge QB's until you get a true franchise QB in the draft is wrong - it happens every year with extremely successful franchises.

 

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2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Is Carr winning us a SB?

 

He has 1 playoff appearance in his entire career. 

 

We dont need anymore bridge QB's. We will never get our franchise QB that way. Im sorry but your plan is what we have been doing for 3 straight years.

Im not a big Carr fan, but this is a fact. Since he entered the league, the raiders have had the 32nd defense. That puts alllllll sort of pressure on QBs, bring out the worst hero ball. 

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5 hours ago, Stingray3030 said:

You all are experts at missing the point....the point was trading up for the #2 ranked QB on the board which in 2021 was Wilson.  The risk that he ends up the same as Wilson are higher than him ending up like Trevor is the point.  Try and catch it. 

And don't you EVER use a meme from one of the most underrated movies of all time against me again...show respect to Face Off

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6 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

There are 2 types of bridge QB's.

 

#1 The bridge QB who is good enough to get you a playoff appearance and not much else.

#2 The bridge QB who is at the end of his career who can get you a top 5 pick.

 

Derrick Carr is #1. He does nothing but get us a mid round pick. The same thing Sam Darnold would get us. If we going bridge go get a guy like Brissett who has experience in Frank's system and that we know we can get a top 5 pick with him.

 

I don't see any appeal to Derrick Carr. He's simply not good enough to take your team anywhere. You think he's going to do any better than he did in Vegas?

 

We don't have the best WR in football and a top 5 TE. Vegas moved on for a reason.

We also don't have a terrible oline and one of the worst defenses in the NFL like the Raiders do. And pretty sure Waller and Renfrow were hurt a good half of the year.

I don't get the hate for Carr. Yes, I'd rather draft our QB than go after a FA, but Carr is better than a bridge QB IMO. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing that he has the most game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL since 2015, which gives you an idea of how terrible their defense has been since 2015. It's not his fault he played for probably the most dysfunctional NFL team for his entire career so far that has made countless terrible draft picks and many terrible FA signings.

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On 2/3/2023 at 2:07 PM, Stingray3030 said:

Darnold, Trubisky are two examples - they went #3 and #2 in their drafts that teams gave up a ton thinking they were top tier franchise QB's.....yes it does happen.  But your last point was exactly what I said - you win some you lose some....but only some teams trade tons of picks for the risk and they usually regret it.....like the Jets and Bears.....who still suck because of it.

Yes...its the cost to find out thats too high in a draft like this.Trubisky is one of my boys but It was clear Chicago made a mistake.

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now that we've hired Reich and the staff is taking shape, here's a few predictions:

- we will fill most of our holes in free agency, TE / DL / LB/ S.

- most of the veterans and Rhule's fringe players will get let go.

- we will 100% trade up for a QB, either Levis or Stroud.

- we will draft some sexy offensive players to compete with the guys we have currently.

- we may have a veteran QB but our rookie will start week 1.

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