We need to go all in on Lamar Jackson...

[Brooklyn 3.0]

He's not good enough. Like CMC, he gets hurt from time to time. He wants too much money. His style of play is not what Reich wants I'd guess.

[Aussie Tank]

Lamar is smaller than Cam and we see the toll Cam took on his body running the way he did. Lamar is gonna break down even further going forward 

Edited February 2, 2023 by Aussie Tank

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If a team is willing to part ways with a franchise QB in his prime, red flags need to be flying. If Lamar was a FA, I'd be all about it. But he's not. You're gonna have to trade a king's ransom plus give up a HUGE contract. How is that working out for the two teams that did that this past off-season? One is drafting in the top 5 and the other is drafting just a couple of spots behind us. They both suck and they have limited assets to improve due to the deals they made to get their QBs.

Pretty much...

Plus you've always got to ask, if that guy is really that good, why isn't he winning a Super Bowl with his current team? Sure as hell not like the Ravens are a bad organization.

This is basically another magic unicorn hunt where some fan says "Hey if we just get this one guy we're gonna win the next five Super Bowls!!!"

Yeeeeah...no

What they really need to do is put in the work, build the roster the right way, draft and develop the quarterback, etc along with, to quote the immortal Lightning McQueen, "an insane amount of luck" for it to all come together...if it ever does. There are, as the saying goes, no guarantees.

It might not sound as exciting as swinging for the fences with some ridiculous trade offer, but that's how it works. Some people try taking pills to lose weight rather than doing the hard work of diet and exercise. This type of suggestion is pretty much the same mentality.

And hell, Buffalo has "that guy", plus an established coach, a strong roster plus inspiration from an injured teammate this season, and they didn't make it to the Super Bowl either.

In real life, winning championships is hard.

(and there aren't any cheat codes)

[ForJimmy]

5 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Lamar is smaller than Cam and we see the toll Cam took on his body running the way he did. Lamar is gonna break down even further going forward 

While it’s mentioned a lot on here I don’t think running is what broke down Cam. All the hits in the pocket are really what did it. TJ Watt’s hit and trying to tackle a defender are his two major ones. 

[toldozer]

9 hours ago, AggieLean said:

Cam didn’t lose the element, though. His shoulder doomed him.

I guess that's fair.  It's the same concept. Cams body gave out from the punishment his style of play put him through.  If you're a dual threat you're more likely to get hurt and less likely to be a great player past the age of 30. That skill set is awesome but only if you draft the guy and win a super bowl within 10 years. Not a winning formula to trade for a dual threat qb who's 26 and hasn't been able to stay healthy the last two seasons.  ESPECIALLY when he wants a full guaranteed deal

Edited February 2, 2023 by toldozer

[top dawg]

17 hours ago, unicar15 said:

Not happening. Look at what Reich has said he wants….A QB who will win from the pocket but be able to move. That isn’t Lamar and wasn’t Cam. Stroud, Young? Yes. Lamar? No. There are two, possibly three generational QBs in this draft. Position the team to get one of them. 

Why do some of you still refuse to acknowledge that Lamar can be an adept pocket passer. He has a good passer rating. Not solid, good! Furthermore, Reich specifically mentioned that you need a guy who will be able to throw it a few times a game--he mentioned "10" as an example. He also mentioned that generally the preference is to run first, and pass for chunk plays down the field. And last, but not least, is the fact that he intimated that you need a guy who can get outside the pocket as well as pass from the pocket.  Lamar would be excellent in that type of system.

[t96]

Lamar has let the Ravens down by being injured come playoff time the last 2 years. His impact on the field is questionable whether he's even on the level of top tier guys like Mahomes and Allen. And not only will we be making him the highest paid QB in the league, we'd be giving the Ravens multiple first round picks on top of that. Trying to trade for Lamar is just a flat out terrible idea. We need a legit QB on a rookie deal.

[AggieLean]

8 minutes ago, toldozer said:

I guess that's fair.  It's the same concept. Cams body gave out from the punishment his style of play put him through.  If you're a dual threat you're more likely to get hurt and less likely to be a great player past the age of 30. That skill set is awesome but only if you draft the guy and win a super bowl within 10 years. Not a winning formula to trade for a dual threat qb who's 26 and hasn't been able to stay healthy the last two seasons.  ESPECIALLY when he wants a full guaranteed deal

What evidence or examples do you have on the bold? You can’t use Cam as evidence. So, you have Lamar and ? Also, why can’t Lamar just simply throw more if his ability to use his legs disappear? He’s an accurate QB, so I don’t see the problem. 

Cams shoulder gave out, and that was due to a tackle he tried to make after an interception. Watt put an end to that shoulder ever becoming fully healthy with a hit in the pocket. Cam did have a lisfranc injury, but that fully healed. When he came back to us, and played with New England, he was still collecting rushing TDs and yards with ease. 

[toldozer]

13 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

What evidence or examples do you have on the bold? You can’t use Cam as evidence. So, you have Lamar and ? Also, why can’t Lamar just simply throw more if his ability to use his legs disappear? He’s an accurate QB, so I don’t see the problem. 

Cams shoulder gave out, and that was due to a tackle he tried to make after an interception. Watt put an end to that shoulder ever becoming fully healthy with a hit in the pocket. Cam did have a lisfranc injury, but that fully healed. When he came back to us, and played with New England, he was still collecting rushing TDs and yards with ease. 

What evidence?  Common fuging sense

[Lame Duck]

No Lamar please.  We need someone who took less pounding than Kardashian over the less 4 years.

[AggieLean]

12 minutes ago, toldozer said:

What evidence?  Common fuging sense

So, you have none and now you’re getting upset because I had some questions about your Lamar assertion. There are some injuries out there, I’ve looked them up, but most of these injuries to dual threat QBs are in the pocket and rarely outside of it. The injuries they get happen to all QBs. 
 

So, this age of 30 threshold you’ve placed on dual threat QBs like Lamar. So, again, why can’t he simply throw more when his use of legs deteriorate? He is an accurate QB after all, completing around 63/64% of his passes. 

[toldozer]

12 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

So, you have none and now you’re getting upset because I had some questions about your Lamar assertion. There are some injuries out there, I’ve looked them up, but most of these injuries to dual threat QBs are in the pocket and rarely outside of it. The injuries they get happen to all QBs. 
 

So, this age of 30 threshold you’ve placed on dual threat QBs like Lamar. So, again, why can’t he simply throw more when his use of legs deteriorate? He is an accurate QB after all, completing around 63/64% of his passes. 

I'm not upset. It is just common sense that if you Subject yourself to more hits you're more likely to get injured (like he has been). They also have been bottom third in the league in pass attempts for just about all of his career. He has also proven he is not a good enough passer to beat good teams in the playoffs.  I'm fine with a dual threat guy but not at 26, with  guaranteed money,  been hurt the last two years and averages 210 yards a game passing. 

 

 

 

And you want someone who has been playing a certain style of qb their whole life just to change and become strictly a pocket passer it doesn't make sense.  Maybe Russell Westbrook should become a spot up shooter now that his athletism is no longer an advantage 

Edited February 2, 2023 by toldozer

[Catsfan69]

6 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

So, you have none and now you’re getting upset because I had some questions about your Lamar assertion. There are some injuries out there, I’ve looked them up, but most of these injuries to dual threat QBs are in the pocket and rarely outside of it. The injuries they get happen to all QBs. 
 

So, this age of 30 threshold you’ve placed on dual threat QBs like Lamar. So, again, why can’t he simply throw more when his use of legs deteriorate? He is an accurate QB after all, completing around 63/64% of his passes. 

Look at his history. He only averages around 190yds a game in the air.

The odds of him suddenly becoming a 300yd game guy are long.

Secondly where are his average completions? If memory serves and I very well could be wrong most of his completions are short.

The guy just hasn't seemed to get better through the air the last few years. 

 

Again like everyone said if he's so great why would the Ravens let him go?

[CamWhoaaCam]

So is every running QB going to be compared to Cam now?

 

Nobody was saying running QB's would be injury prone until Cam came along. Now every QB that takes hits won't have a long career. Now guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are getting hit with the Cam Newton tag because they run the ball. Cam would still be playing if not for a shoulder injury. Any player could have got that injury. Those 

 

Nobody said this about Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham.