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REPORT: Panthers to aggressive pursue trade up to get a QB

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57 minutes ago, Riverboat Ron said:

Honestly #3 is the magic number. I don’t see someone paying the price for #1. #3 gets you the leftovers after Houston picks either Young, Stroud, Richardson or Levis. 

If you are gonna trade up like this,  leftovers shouldn't be the goal. You get the guy you want the most.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Multiple 1sts gives me heavy pause. But that's likely what it would take.

Honestly, given how much Fitt wheels and deals, we could end up with a 1st by the time 2025 rolls around through other means. 

And not even factoring any future prospects of trading back to net more picks, there's so much you can do to finagle and target who you want between now and 2024/25.  

And if we nail this, these future picks are towards the end of the rounds.  I think we're just so used to these top 10 picks now that our perception of R1 incremental value is skewed compared to fans of the teams that don't mind trading them a lot (Philly, LAR, BAL, etc.)    

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25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Multiple 1sts gives me heavy pause. But that's likely what it would take.

There’s not a dam team in the league that’d say I’ll take 31st rd picks over a Joe Burrow.  Especially if they didn’t have a top 10 QB

 

im doing this no questions asked 

that mock was a dream scenario 

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1 hour ago, SOJA said:

Again we come back to Pick 5 making a lot of sense. 

Anderson and Carter will go in the first 4 picks to Chicago/Arizona in some order

Houston and Indy will both take QBs. my prediction is Young and Levis.

Seattle makes too much sense. hx with the FO. Seattle will want to trade down as they miss out on elite talent but can still take a DE at 9. We take Stroud. 

Carter might get a bit of the Tunsil effect, personally I'd feel safer. 

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58 minutes ago, Riverboat Ron said:

Honestly #3 is the magic number. I don’t see someone paying the price for #1. #3 gets you the leftovers after Houston picks either Young, Stroud, Richardson or Levis. 

I see the math behind that and I think that is what I might do--but I see a few problems that may be only in my head or may not be deal breakers.

1. Fitterer said, if your guy is there, you go get him, but you better be sure about it.  (paraphrased) Does that apply to all three of the QBs you mentioned?  If so, yes, trade with the Cardinals and take AR-15 (likely).  But if you love Stroud and Young, you have to move to #1.  We know the Bears are going to trade out, and Stroud or Young is likely the target.  (My guess?  Indy).  The Texans will take the other one, leaving AR-15 as the only QB on the board. 

2. Do you think Reich and McCown have the experience, knowledge, and skill sets to coach a player like AR-15?  I don't know--I would think they would be more comfortable with Young and then Stroud. 

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53 minutes ago, ncfan said:

We all knew McCown Loved Stroud before he even took the job.  All you have to do is watch his video on Him with Josh Norris.

Reich also said in his presser last week, he’s started sitting down and talking QBs with McCown.

There is some top notched detective work going on in this thread..>Good stuff!

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13 minutes ago, ncfan said:

There’s not a dam team in the league that’d say I’ll take 31st rd picks over a Joe Burrow.  Especially if they didn’t have a top 10 QB

 

im doing this no questions asked 

that mock was a dream scenario 

Agreed. But it's not for Joe Burrow. It's for a complete NFL unknown you're hoping like hell you're right about. I'm not opposed to it. I just acknowledge what a massive risk and roll of the dice it would be.

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1 hour ago, Riverboat Ron said:

Honestly #3 is the magic number. I don’t see someone paying the price for #1. #3 gets you the leftovers after Houston picks either Young, Stroud, Richardson or Levis. 

Except the last time #3 got traded the Niners basically gave up #1 overall value for it. The Cardinals would look to duplicate that type of haul knowing it's be for a QB.

 

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