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22 minutes ago, Varking said:

It’s the weight in todays football most people are concerned with. Not the height. He’s tiny. He weighed in at 203 or 204 and didn’t run any drills because that’s not his playing weight and didn’t want his numbers to suffer. At 190 pounds he’s got the be the smallest starting QB by a wide margin. The types of tackles he spins out of in college he’s not getting out of in the NFL and those plays are going to sing him up. 

Ok --and do not get me wrong--I see this point very clearly and agree--but I wonder if the rules that they have in place to protect the QB make a smaller player more likely to succeed?  I realize that they all take contact, but you can't hit the QB hardly at all, you can't even land on him while tackling him.  Just wondering if today's rules could allow for a more frail qb to play effectively>

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11 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Ok --and do not get me wrong--I see this point very clearly and agree--but I wonder if the rules that they have in place to protect the QB make a smaller player more likely to succeed?  I realize that they all take contact, but you can't hit the QB hardly at all, you can't even land on him while tackling him.  Just wondering if today's rules could allow for a more frail qb to play effectively>

The rules do help lower weight QBs but sometimes lineman just can’t help themselves when they get close. I think the talent is there but he’s the one player in this draft I’d be worried about staying healthy on almost every play. 

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13 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Ok --and do not get me wrong--I see this point very clearly and agree--but I wonder if the rules that they have in place to protect the QB make a smaller player more likely to succeed?  I realize that they all take contact, but you can't hit the QB hardly at all, you can't even land on him while tackling him.  Just wondering if today's rules could allow for a more frail qb to play effectively>

The rules didnt help tua.  Young is going to get hit and every so often he is going to get severely slammed to the ground.  It just is what it is.  The question can that frame handle it over 17 games multiple years.  I doubt personally.  The kid is the smallest qb in modern history to be drafted.  If he works out it would literally be the first of its kind.  And lol at EC saying he can play at 215.  The dude struggled to get to 204 and then didnt do any of the drills.  If that is his true weight then I am sure he has no problem weighing at his pro day or interviews. 

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56 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

They are shopping for a QB, and if they all agree on one, they will go get him and the price will be what they will pay.  So I agree.

I think there is already a sign that we like a QB in this draft because we did not really pursue Carr and we have not shown Darnold interest.  I think they have a guy---or two---or three that they feel comfortable with.

And to all of you who have dismissed Young because he is small--Doug Flutie was this size.  Kyler Murray is this size.  Russell Wilson is 5'11. Sonny Jurgeson was 5'11.  Not many to choose from, but the new NFL may not depend on height as much as we are conditioned to think.  While they may not be the most successful QBs in the league, I guess the point is, it has been done, but the population size is rather small (pun intended).

FWIW, Reich and McCown are 6' 4".

Whoever drafts Young will be making a huge mistake. His height is a worry; however, his weight is an even bigger worry. Combine that with average, at best, arm talent and you have a big problem. He has the intellect, some intangibles and seems like a great kid. Those positives provide only a very limited shield from the violent realities of the NFL.

Doug Flutie is a flawed comparison. Wilson had an inch and much more weight. Murray has mobility and speed that Young lacks. Furthermore, I have my doubts about Murray's longevity as well.

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50 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Y’all are wild with the Young doubt. 
 

He was projected by many to weigh ~185lbs at the combine. Once he showed he can put on weight, now it’s not his “playing weight.” Ridiculous. He’s 21 years old. It’s plausible his playing weight could be 215lbs in his sophomore year. 
 

He’s the best at playing QB in this draft. 

Why didn't he do ANY drills at his 'playing weight' then?

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15 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

Whoever drafts Young will be making a huge mistake. His height is a worry; however, his weight is an even bigger worry. Combine that with average, at best, arm talent and you have a big problem. He has the intellect, some intangibles and seems like a great kid. Those positives provide only a very limited shield from the violent realities of the NFL.

Doug Flutie is a flawed comparison. Wilson had an inch and much more weight. Murray has mobility and speed that Young lacks. Furthermore, I have my doubts about Murray's longevity as well.

Wilson technically weighed in at the same weight at the combine. 

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36 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The rules didnt help tua.  Young is going to get hit and every so often he is going to get severely slammed to the ground.  It just is what it is.  The question can that frame handle it over 17 games multiple years.  I doubt personally.  The kid is the smallest qb in modern history to be drafted.  If he works out it would literally be the first of its kind.  And lol at EC saying he can play at 215.  The dude struggled to get to 204 and then didnt do any of the drills.  If that is his true weight then I am sure he has no problem weighing at his pro day or interviews. 

Half of Tua's concussions are because he simply got ragdolled.

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29 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

Whoever drafts Young will be making a huge mistake. His height is a worry; however, his weight is an even bigger worry. Combine that with average, at best, arm talent and you have a big problem. He has the intellect, some intangibles and seems like a great kid. Those positives provide only a very limited shield from the violent realities of the NFL.

Doug Flutie is a flawed comparison. Wilson had an inch and much more weight. Murray has mobility and speed that Young lacks. Furthermore, I have my doubts about Murray's longevity as well.

Wrong. Young is a mini sized Mahomes. He is good at moving in the pocket and avoiding hits.

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1 hour ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Oh man, the Huddle GMs who project their vast football intellect and scouting analysis for all of Panther nation to see. Thanks guys. Glad y’all are on our side and we know the career trajectory of these QBs now. 

What is the point of a post like this? What else is there to discuss in the NFL world right now? If you don't want to participate in it then don't but fug off with shitting on other people actually wanting to discuss the things there are to discuss.

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