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PETER KING with the latest: there are several within Panthers organization that favor Bryce Young


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2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's very suspicious both TD and Smitty think AR will be the guy.

 

Something tells me AR is right in there with Stroud/Young. This might be a 3 horse race right down to the wire.

It's hard for me to think they'd draft a guy #1 to have him sit for a season to train him from the ground up. They already gambled picks and players. It would be hard for me to imagine them doubling down on another gamble to select AR #1 overall. 

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53 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Yes.....As i already said, if you draft Bryce and he starts breaking down its automatic fireable offense. Because the signs and caution was there from the start  and you ignored. Plain and simple. Everybody has to go, the team is not a equipped to recover from this like other teams if that happens.

Should the same not be true in case that happens with Stroud? Stroud(6'3" 213 lbs) only has an inch and 8 lbs on Matt Corral(6'2" 205), whom some said was too small.

Honestly, if the Panthers miss on whoever they pick at 1, it'll most likely mean Tepper cleans house.

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22 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Honestly, if the Panthers miss on whoever they pick at 1, it'll most likely mean Tepper cleans house.

Maybe.  If they pick the one Tepper prefers, he's shown that he's willing to cut some slack.

Until we traded to 1, we were in QB hell.  When Carr went to the Saints we were either going to pay a fortune for Lamar, or roll the dice on the draft.

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31 minutes ago, poundaway said:

Maybe.  If they pick the one Tepper prefers, he's shown that he's willing to cut some slack.

Until we traded to 1, we were in QB hell.  When Carr went to the Saints we were either going to pay a fortune for Lamar, or roll the dice on the draft.

No indication Lamar Jackson was ever even in consideration...

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6 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah if we take AR at 1, he will have plenty of playing time this year.

Dalton is here for reasons, not to say I want AR......Id just be more team AR if they still had the 9th pick...... Ive said this before too, if panthers had a eagles or 49ers roster and traded up to #1........AR would my top pick.

Panthers are not close in talent, so need to focus on who can lead this team. God didnt bless young with the size, weight, and speed. Stroud it is then.

I went back and watched some young stuff, he does throw lots while on the tips of his toes.....and its all full effort and whole body. Stroud is just a bigger young and has no need to do either of those. I think if you switched both, be the same results(team-wise). I just can not overlook the size, young doesnt have the quick speed like a murray/vick......If he did Id have a much harder time...

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7 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's very suspicious both TD and Smitty think AR will be the guy.

 

Something tells me AR is right in there with Stroud/Young. This might be a 3 horse race right down to the wire.

When did Steve Smith say he thinks Richardson is the guy?

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8 hours ago, poundaway said:

The reverse is also true.  If you pick Stroud and Young tears it up while Stroud has trouble transitioning, the GM may end up unemployed.

Both are pretty accurate, had decent weapons, sat behind excellent lines and faced tough competition.  Both have shown magic. 

Stroud is 5 inches taller, heavier, and appears to have  a slightly bigger arm.

Young just appears smarter, sneakier, and quicker than Stroud.    Its hard to measure those things, and who knows how either is going to progress in those areas.  We know Young is not going to get taller.   If Young was Stroud's height, I don't think there would be as many Stroud supporters. 

Right now, I'm leaning toward Young.  I'd like to watch Young's worst game, does anybody know what Young's worst game was?

 

But Young isn't 6'3".

It's like saying if Darnold had Peyton Manning's brain he'd be the MVP. He doesn't, so he's on his third NFL team in four years. 

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8 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

It certainly is a concern!

But I think some ppl are overreacting to it, some even going as far as predicting injuries 100% because of it. These are the ppl I really don't understand.

I respect the opinion of ppl who think CJ is flat out better regardless of size, so he should be the pick. I disagree with it, but at least they want to take the better QB in their opinion regardless of size.

But I don't understand the ppl who say Bryce is better but let's take CJ because he is 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier right now...

To me, we need to go with the best QB regardless of size, because nobody can predict injuries.   

I think Young is the better College QB. I think Stroud will be the better NFL QB.

A portion of that is down to his size, but not all of it. I don't think he can see the middle of the field (see below), I don't think he has a good NFL arm and I just think he'll get crumpled by NFL athletes. 

His off-script style of play (which he resorts to cos he misses reads imo) doesn't work without having an elite intangible - for Murray and Wilson (two QBs of similar height) it's due to their mobility, which I don't think Young has. For Mahomes it's due to his ridiculous arm which Young definitely doesn't have. 

I'm actually not fully convinced by Stroud either - his arm strength is 'good enough', but he's going to have to throw with a ton of anticipation for it to work in the NFL. 

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46 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I’ve been with Stroud for some months, but I think I’ve slowly moved over to the Young side. I’ll be happy with either, but I think I want Young more

Ask yourself this- Is it ok for a QB to constantly be on the tippest point of their toes when making throws?

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