JT O'Sullivan's QB Rankings for 2023

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, SurvivalSloth said:

"I don't care what the tape says". 

I sure as hell do.

[Jackie Lee]

This guy last year-

1.Malik

2.Desmond

3.Howell

4.Pickett

5/6.Matt/Carson

7.Zappe

[kass]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I sure as hell do.

No you don't. 

 

[OldhamA]

57 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Sure, he was at Bama so they weren't dog crap, but let's not kid ourselves that Stroud didn't have the better supporting cast this past year, both at receiver and on the line. Recruiting rankings don't mean much if they aren't playing up to potential on the field. 

And Young's stats dropped off considerably when his WRs left - if we're playing that game (Stroud's didn't).

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, kass said:

No you don't. 

[kass]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Aren't your whole shtick, trust the professionals (Panthers scouts, front office and the coaches). Don't need any tape for that

[stan786]

21 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

This guy last year-

1.Malik

2.Desmond

3.Howell

4.Pickett

5/6.Matt/Carson

7.Zappe

Got any other previous years? Last years class was so brutal hahaha.

[Wes21]

This feels like when my wife picks a team to win a game based on how pretty their jersey's are.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kass said:

Aren't your whole shtick, trust the professionals (Panthers scouts, front office and the coaches). Don't need any tape for that

Still need it to form my own opinion

My thing with the pros is that they're always going to be smarter than us. That's not their job though. Their job is to be smarter than their competitors.

Hell, Marty Hurney was a professional. He just wasn't very good compared to other professionals.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Wes21 said:

This feels like when my wife picks a team to win a game based on how pretty their jersey's are.

Mine picks a winner based on whether or not they're wearing the Cowboys jerseys

[kass]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Still need it to form my own opinion

My thing with the pros is that they're always going to be smarter than us. That's not their job though. Their job is to be smarter than their competitors.

Hell, Marty Hurney was a professional. He just wasn't very good compared to other professionals.

I'm just messing with you.

[Ricky Spanish]

26 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

And Young's stats dropped off considerably when his WRs left - if we're playing that game (Stroud's didn't).

... Because Stroud was still throwing to better receivers? This past season he was throwing to Marvin Harrison Jr, the guy who would be the consensus #1 receiver if he were eligible this year and JSN, a first round player coming out this season. Last year he had Olave and Wilson, both first round receivers. Young had Williams last season and not much this year.

Young was carrying his team this year, whereas OSU was just a better all around team. Yes Young's numbers took a hit in terms of volume stats, but his y/a, ay/a, and QB rating are pretty much identical. He was just as efficient with a worse team surrounding him.

You can be a fan of Stroud over Young, but even the staunchest of Stroud supporters even admit Stroud had a better supporting cast. The argument that Young's receivers made him just seems completely disingenuous based on everything. 

[Wes21]

12 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

This past season he was throwing to Marvin Harrison Jr, the guy who would be the consensus #1 receiver if he were eligible this year and JSN, a first round player coming out this season.

JSN was out with a hamstring this year.  He had 5 total catches for the season.

[TheWiz]

I'm ok with Bryce being his favorite but we need better reasons. Alot of development happened past the Summer of 2022 an will continue to happen. Making that assessment off a glorified summer pro-day is an incomplete assessment. I think that one of the things that people aren't thinking about regarding CJ is that they think he can't get better. As if he has reached his ceiling. 

Coaches believe they can develop Will Levis and Anthony Richardson... but for some reason its like CJ has peaked. None of these guys is a perfect prospect. For the all of the things that Bryce Young does well, there are ill-advised throws and inconsistent arm strength on the deep ball. 

I believe all of these guys can get better. I think Bryce can get heavier on an NFL nutrition plan... but he wont get much taller. That can't be developed. I dont think Bryce's size is going to impact him as much as others may think because he's played in the SEC but its definitely apart of his evaluation. 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by TheWiz