Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

[TLGPanthersFan]

Never get people’s obsession with a player that probably shouldn’t even be drafted in the first round.

[ForJimmy]

9 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

All this size arguments are tiring. Three of the top four QBs are little guys compared to the 6'4" 244lb

Go with the true big boy if size is such a concern.

[jayboogieman]

4 minutes ago, travisura said:

I was using what Google told me, which is that Stroud weighed a couple of pounds more. Then I was corrected and told that according to combine measurements, Stroud weighed a couple of pounds less. The spirit of the argument that I was trying to make was that there is not a significant difference in their weight, but yes, I did say that Stroud weighed more before the clarification was made. The spirit of the argument that I was pushing back on was saying that Stroud was "smaller" than Tua because he weighed 3 pounds less at their respective combine weigh ins. 3 pounds is not enough in my mind to claim someone is "smaller", especially when the person who weighs 3 pounds less is 2 inches taller.

I get what you're saying but height and weight are two different things and really don't have an effect on each other. There are a lot of 6' overweight people that weigh over well over 200 lbs while there are also a lot of 6' plus guys that weigh less than 200 lbs. Now, in such cases, which is "bigger" depends on if you're referencing height or weight.

[jayboogieman]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That number is just from McShay's article.  I guess he is assuming Stroud's frame can add 6-7 pounds before preseason or maybe his ideal guy just weighs 7 pounds more?  It was 6'2" 220 my fault.

“The only thing I'm worried about with  Bryce is can he hold up?” McShay said. “You know, that's really it. I mean, if he was 6-2, 220 pounds, there would be no conversation. Bryce Young would clearly be the number one quarterback in this class.”

gotcha

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Some of you are setting yourselves up to be devastated if we select Young. 
 

CJ is bigger 

Young is better

If you follow the context of most they are saying it is a concern, but they are more than ok with the pick.  It all falls apart with people state it isn't a concern, he won't get hurt because he only did once in college, look he took this one hit and survived so he can take 1000 more etc...

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, Martin said:

I agree here that Tua was injury prone in College, no doubt about it. I’m assuming the attempt was to find a comp for Young in the NFL, but clearly there is not one existing today as Young is a far outlier in terms of size for a QB.

Well, for me it was an attempt based upon injury projections (which is a slippery slope). Admittedly, I think pro comps are kind of stupid anyway.

[jayboogieman]

5 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Never get people’s obsession with a player that probably shouldn’t even be drafted in the first round.

That argument could be applied to any of the top 4 qbs depending on one's point of view

[Jackie Lee]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That number is just from McShay's article.  I guess he is assuming Stroud's frame can add 6-7 pounds before preseason or maybe his ideal guy just weighs 7 pounds more?  It was 6'2" 220 my fault.

“The only thing I'm worried about with  Bryce is can he hold up?” McShay said. “You know, that's really it. I mean, if he was 6-2, 220 pounds, there would be no conversation. Bryce Young would clearly be the number one quarterback in this class.”

I've heard Stroud played/weighed in at 220 during the year. 

[*FreeFua*]

The CJ crowd needs to move on

I’d say it’s over but I don’t think it ever started

[Martin]

48 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Another one for Stroud

 

I’ve seen Quentin Johnson falling to the second round in a few drafts. Would he be worth trading up a few spots for if that’s the case?

[Ivory Panther]

20 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That's a good point.  You don't see nearly as many in college (or maybe I just don't notice).  My first thought was bigger stronger hits in the NFL, but college also has smaller players taking hits so you think it would produce similar results...  Dan Morgan and Luke never had the in college and in the NFL it was an issue.

Yes, I'm researching to see what is the college policy on Concussion with little luck so far.

I know that they have made 'targeting" a big deal. But I'm not sure if they have any type of policy to catch concussions like the NFL does.

I imagine, it will be a lot more challenging due to resources at some colleges...

[Ivory Panther]

19 minutes ago, Martin said:

The reported playing weight of Young is ~185 and reported playing weight of Stroud is +220. 

Every player in the NFL is an injury risk due to the nature of the have. Stroud at +220 is more within the standard of current players while Young is an outlier. 

There are no guarantees that one will stay healthier than the other, but purely theoretical it would seem that Young would be at a higher risk, and hence the concerns have been raised by most pundits and our own head coach.

I rather use combine weight than reported weight. Bryce was reportedly 6 feet before the combine...

as far as the combine goes, CJ was 214 pounds then, & lost 1 pound for his pro day. 

220 sounds good, so I'm not sure why a QB would voluntarily lose weight for the combine when his original weight was "ideal"...

[travisura]

11 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

I get what you're saying but height and weight are two different things and really don't have an effect on each other. There are a lot of 6' overweight people that weigh over well over 200 lbs while there are also a lot of 6' plus guys that weigh less than 200 lbs. Now, in such cases, which is "bigger" depends on if you're referencing height or weight.

Either way the point is moot and we've all (myself included) gotten way too into the weeds re: measurables than we needed to lmao.

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, Martin said:

I’ve seen Quentin Johnson falling to the second round in a few drafts. Would he be worth trading up a few spots for if that’s the case?

fug yeah!