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REPORT: Bryce Young scored 98 out of 99 on his S2 cognitive test

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mrcompletely11 Grand Master

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1 minute ago, Jaxel said:

I fins that interesting because I don't think laid bad and calm is bad thing. We got an interesting test case for sure.

Since when did being calm under pressure become a bad thing.  Like I said its a hit piece, he may have scored bad but damn this week some people have been leaking some bullshit about stroud

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Since when did being calm under pressure become a bad thing.  Like I said its a hit piece, he may have scored bad but damn this week some people have been leaking some bullshit about stroud

Agree, and I'm on the Bryce train, but this is a bit ridiculous.

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11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Jesus thats a hit piece on stroud

“Stroud scored 18,” an executive said. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”

When another executive was informed that Stroud scored extremely low, he said that it confirmed what he had seen on tape.

“That was my concern with him,” the scout said. “His personality is just sort of calm and mellow and laidback, and that’s the way he plays. You look at how Bryce Young plays and how Stroud plays, I don’t see how anyone can look at those two play football and you’d want that guy (Stroud) over Young. Bryce’s mind is so quick and he processes so fast. Whereas with Stroud, everything is much, much more programmed.”

What kind of executive would call out Ohio State QB's? Also what is golongtd dot com? Twitter is already an odd place without blue check marks

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This article is wild. I don't know who Bob McGinn is 

Here’s a sampling how some scouts summed up this collection of quarterbacks.

AFC evaluator: “I would say a bit above average. There’s not a bonafide guy. There’s no Andrew Luck. Comparing it to Joe Burrow, Tua (Tagovailoa), Justin Herbert, that class was way better coming out. You can poke holes in all these guys.”

AFC evaluator: “It’s the most overhyped, and understandably so, group that I can recall. Every one of them is flawed, and some with major flaws. So I think they all get overdrafted and, unfortunately, they all underperform. Even if they become starters they’re bottom-half-of-the-league starters.”

AFC evaluator: “Teams have gone to better athletes at quarterback, but they’re shorter.”

NFC evaluator: “None of these guys are Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence.”

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This article is wild. I don't know who Bob McGinn is 

Here’s a sampling how some scouts summed up this collection of quarterbacks.

AFC evaluator: “I would say a bit above average. There’s not a bonafide guy. There’s no Andrew Luck. Comparing it to Joe Burrow, Tua (Tagovailoa), Justin Herbert, that class was way better coming out. You can poke holes in all these guys.”

AFC evaluator: “It’s the most overhyped, and understandably so, group that I can recall. Every one of them is flawed, and some with major flaws. So I think they all get overdrafted and, unfortunately, they all underperform. Even if they become starters they’re bottom-half-of-the-league starters.”

AFC evaluator: “Teams have gone to better athletes at quarterback, but they’re shorter.”

NFC evaluator: “None of these guys are Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence.”

His wiki page is less then impressive

Bob McGinn is an American sportswriter, best known for his 38-year tenure covering the Green Bay Packers. McGinn, who retired in 2017, worked for the Green Bay Press-Gazette and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel since the early

 

I suspect if strouds score is being reported wrong then we should hear something by the end of the day.  If its not refuted.......oh boy

 

Would makes sense now that AR is our #2 if they value the s2 that heavily

 

I for one welcome our bryce young overlords

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43 minutes ago, steveasmith said:

 

I had a preference for Stroud over Young (although I would have been happy with either quarterback).   But if this score is true for Stroud there is no way we take him and I doubt Houston does. 

With a score like that, there is no way anyone drafts him.  Obviously this score can't be right.

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3 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

So Justin Fields had the highest score ever coming out of college. Doesn't he get knocked for his slower than desired processing in the pocket?

Yeah, he does.

This is one of those things that reminds me why I'm not a huge fan of analytics.

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17 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

So Justin Fields had the highest score ever coming out of college. Doesn't he get knocked for his slower than desired processing in the pocket?

Thats what sucks about these %s. There are a number of different factors it tests and if you score high on the cumulative you could still lack in something important.

We arent seeing the full results so its hard to take much from them. I think teams are seeing more of the full results but it feels like they didnt really value this all that much until this year.

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9 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

In fairness, this has existed for 8 straight NFL drafts and has been used by the NFL. For whatever reason this just because a hot issue this NFL draft cycle.

My guess is that they have a large enough pool of players to make this a decent tool. It should get better with time.

Widely used norm based tests have hundreds of thousands of subjects collected over decades. That is why they are valid for ongoing use. This test is less than 8 years old and has less than a 1000 quarterbacks evaluated.  What I have seen were cherry picked players and how they performed versus how they scored. And since this test is supposed to be predictive of success it takes years of actually playing to see if who had high or low scores failed or succeeded. So that 1000 quarterbacks is now cut by a third. And then the folks who were tested but didn't make it to the actual NFL  reduce it more. So how many folks are we talking about?  Truth is the information touted as proof is more anecdotal than well researched and valid.  There're a number of performance based tests to detect ADHD for example that are purported to be effective and have decades of use that really aren't nearly as useful as they would want you to believe. 

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1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

So Justin Fields had the highest score ever coming out of college. Doesn't he get knocked for his slower than desired processing in the pocket?

Was this his TOTAL score or, specifically, the cognitive score? Really asking, because that would make a difference. His overall score may have been the highest, but the one score could have been low.

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2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

His wiki page is less then impressive

Bob McGinn is an American sportswriter, best known for his 38-year tenure covering the Green Bay Packers. McGinn, who retired in 2017, worked for the Green Bay Press-Gazette and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel since the early

I suspect if strouds score is being reported wrong then we should hear something by the end of the day.  If its not refuted.......oh boy

Would makes sense now that AR is our #2 if they value the s2 that heavily

I for one welcome our bryce young overlords

If they valued the S2 that heavily, their second choice would probably be Will Levis (93)

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