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Could a trade be on the horizon...(Vegas shift at number 2)

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36 minutes ago, Tarheel119 said:

The one thing that separates Young from Mayfield is his mind. The guy already thinks like an OC. Also, Mayfield was pretty darn good when given talent and supported by competent offensive staff.

Let’s be honest though. Mayfield is bigger and has a better arm. It seems to me that Young’s vaunted processing speed and understanding is Young’s sole competitive advantage. 

I do not believe processing speed can possibly overcome Young’s historic (by weight) size limitations. Ultimately his inability to play from under center will partially erode any accuracy advantages that he has since the running game will suffer. Furthermore, Young is not even particularly athletic. He is the least athletic and has by far the weakest arm of any of the likely first round QB picks in this draft.

It as if Young’s intelligence and likability of caused an outbreak of confirmation bias. Little to no real discussion has been had related to Young’s obvious limitations. Scouts just mention Young’s small stature and quote his “phony” combine weight without any real discussion of how he will overcome those limitations. There has been little to no discussion of Young’s inability to be effective from under center as evidenced by the fact that I think he only had single digit snaps taken from under center last season.

There was little to no discussion of the floating nature of some of Young’s deep passes and lack of real zip on intermediate passes. 
 

Great kid. Maybe even a natural leader. Competitive. Smart.
 

Historically small, on the weak side of average arm strength, lack of athleticism, does not thrive from under center, etc.

I predict an injury plagued and shortened career. Young may well be the most NFL ready QB in this draft. However, again, that will not overcome his obvious limitations. Other QBs in this draft will have longer and better NFL careers. Young is NOT worth the overall number 1 pick much less the overall number 1 pick, multiple draft choices, and the Panther’s best wide receiver.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

Levis could end up being the Josh Allen of this draft. I just pray that Young is not the Baker Mayfield of this draft.  I think the Panthers are on the precipice of a horrible mistake.

Completely agree

Obviously I hope I'm wrong if he's the pick, and while I understand why so many experts have him as their top graded QB, I think Young ends up as the 3rd or even 4th best QB of this draft in the end.

I think Stroud and AR will be better, and think there is a chance Levis is as well, but fully understand why AR and Levis are more of projects and are graded lower, but I think with the right coaching, they both end up better.

 

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23 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

It as if Young’s intelligence and likability of caused an outbreak of confirmation bias. Little to no real discussion has been had related to Young’s obvious limitations. Scouts just mention Young’s small stature and quote his “phony” combine weight without any real discussion of how he will overcome those limitations.

How I feel exactly. I really like the guy and he seems to be a generational football mind, but I just don’t see any way he works long term. He has one of the worst physical profiles I can think of and his play style relies on his mobility. 
 

The #1 overall pick should expand what you’re capable of doing schematically, not limit it. We’d be scheming around Bryce Young’s weaknesses, not his strengths. You can’t say the same for any of the other top quarterbacks.

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3 minutes ago, CamTheMan said:

How I feel exactly. I really like the guy and he seems to be a generational football mind, but I just don’t see any way he works long term. He has one of the worst physical profiles I can think of and his play style relies on his mobility. 
 

The #1 overall pick should expand what you’re capable of doing schematically, not limit it. We’d be scheming around Bryce Young’s weaknesses, not his strengths. You can’t say the same for any of the other top quarterbacks.

The very thing I'm scared of!!  Scheming to his weaknesses and becoming 1 dimensional!! The number 1 pick I the draft has to be a lil more than intelligent.   It's why so many Qbs like him go later in the Draft because the risk factor matches. No GMs/coaches  have to look over their shoulder as much.  He has skill and I'm not denying that, just hate the thought of the offense being stuck at some point. 

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I guess I feel like Strouds struggles handling pressure and working off script, Levis’s pressure/accuracy issues, and Richardsons accuracy could eventually limit an offense just as much if not more than Youngs size. The offense we are rumored to be building looks to be heavily RPO and empty sets both of which Bryce excels at. Eagles and Chiefs were in shotgun a ton last year

All these guys have flaws that can dictate what you can and can’t call, the difference is Bryce will be able to move you in and out of plays, read the defense, and help us maximize his strengths.

Every QB has a system that maximizes their Strengths and it’s up to the coaches to get it out of them. Our coaches clearly seem to think the talent and what he brings compared to the others outweighs any offensive limitations.

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2 hours ago, Lurk21 said:

Vegas has now shifted Levis to be selected number 2 in the Draft. There have been numerous  signs pointing at The Colts loving him and recently Houston beat writers have mentioned him too. This could pit them both against each other and we could possibly drop to 2 or 4 and still net one of AR or Stroud.   This would be the perfect time to be on the phones with the Colts. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/22/will-levis-is-now-the-betting-favorite-to-go-no-2-overall/

Man yall are insufferable.

 

Draft is Friday if we were trading back it would have happened by now. Bryce Young is our QB. 

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2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Man yall are insufferable.

 

Draft is Friday if we were trading back it would have happened by now. Bryce Young is our QB. 

Man you don't have to click the link or like anything... We all entitled  to our opinions  bro. I will accept him and cheer him on but to act like I can't have concerns is ridiculous!! Also, you have never seen a trade on draft night.... or day before... cmon man.... anything is possible! Rather it's Bryce or the other 3, I'm going to root for him but he is not my preferred 1st choice... deal with it!

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Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

The moment Bryce Young did that interview with Smitty it was a done deal he was going to be the pick. Smitty even gave hints during the interview.

That could've been to you but  what's the point in our front office not confirming it yet... Is it that we have a GM that always wants to have options. We traded Cmac... I have seen with Fitt that he always keeps his options open. Gms get antsy the closer the draft get. Gms also play chicken as long as they can... 

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16 minutes ago, stan786 said:

I guess I feel like Strouds struggles handling pressure and working off script, Levis’s pressure/accuracy issues, and Richardsons accuracy could eventually limit an offense just as much if not more than Youngs size. The offense we are rumored to be building looks to be heavily RPO and empty sets both of which Bryce excels at. Eagles and Chiefs were in shotgun a ton last year

All these guys have flaws that can dictate what you can and can’t call, the difference is Bryce will be able to move you in and out of plays, read the defense, and help us maximize his strengths.

Every QB has a system that maximizes their Strengths and it’s up to the coaches to get it out of them. Our coaches clearly seem to think the talent and what he brings compared to the others outweighs any offensive limitations.

And I'd be totally  for it if they feel that and proceed  forward. I'm not going to sit and scream that we picked him but I could make an argument  that the other Qbs could do something  that Bryce couldn't. Regardless, if we pick him, I'm going to root him on but I know anything is possible  until we officially  confirm it. 

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