Potential $1.2B Panthers stadium renovation discussion

[TheCasillas]

8 hours ago, Icege said:

From what (little) I understand, there are a few factors:

• Hotel accommodations 
• Transportation
• Fan support

I'd imagine a local government with experience in hosting large scale events is also desirable.

 

I could even see Mint St hosting a lot of the activities

 

Would be nice. Who knows. The draft is a bucket list item for me and being in Charlotte would make the trip a whole lot cheaper!

 

7 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Fan support is not really an issue. Fans travel from all over the country for the SB. I think the problem will be hotel accommodations.

 

I don't think Charlotte has enough upscale hotels for the higher profile people that would come to Charlotte. I could be wrong though not sure how that would work.

 

Maybe by 2026 they will have built a lot more upscale hotels.

Charlotte officially hit the hotel cap needed to host a Super Bowl/draft about two years ago. That’s why they are now able to put their names in the hat for those events.

 

I believe the stadium renovations are the last step. NFL likes hosting the Super Bowl in newer stadiums this decade. Our city administration has a “tourist” budget that has been put toward hosting events like the NBA All Star game, NFL draft and eventually the Super Bowl. 
 

the only remaining factor is the weather….

 

[rayzor]

5 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

the only remaining factor is the weather….

 

so if we're close, i wonder if retractable roof is in the works...

[TheCasillas]

31 minutes ago, rayzor said:

so if we're close, i wonder if retractable roof is in the works...

since the renovations are in the 1.2 billion range... I would not be surprised... or at least that new 3/4 roof concept that we are seeing across all sports stadium concepts. 

However, I'd love for Tepper to roll out this concept: 

 

This would allow real grass for both soccer and football. Then also allow concerts and events at the stadium without sacrificing the field.  This is getting really popular at the international soccer level, and I believe the Raiders do this with their new field.

[rayzor]

48 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

since the renovations are in the 1.2 billion range... I would not be surprised... or at least that new 3/4 roof concept that we are seeing across all sports stadium concepts. 

However, I'd love for Tepper to roll out this concept: 

 

This would allow real grass for both soccer and football. Then also allow concerts and events at the stadium without sacrificing the field.  This is getting really popular at the international soccer level, and I believe the Raiders do this with their new field.

that would be nice and ideal and would open up for a lot of different kinds of events. 

[Soul Rebel]

New Bills' stadium is $1.2B, Vegas' was $1.9B and the rumored Soldier Field renovation is at $2.2B. 

If we're getting a new stadium, I'm guessing it will approach $3B.

I'd prefer a new stadium, but if we can renovate our stadium to offer a bit more shielding from the elements (sun/rain), have a natural field option and modernize the look, I'm for it. It is hard to swallow the cost when you have one of the richest owners in the league asking for money....especially after two failed projects in Charlotte.

The dynamic of taxpayers assisting in the cost, yet the Owners reap all the profits is baffling. Unless I'm missing something and the city/county/state does get ROI. 

[amcoolio]

3 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

since the renovations are in the 1.2 billion range... I would not be surprised... or at least that new 3/4 roof concept that we are seeing across all sports stadium concepts. 

However, I'd love for Tepper to roll out this concept: 

 

This would allow real grass for both soccer and football. Then also allow concerts and events at the stadium without sacrificing the field.  This is getting really popular at the international soccer level, and I believe the Raiders do this with their new field.

That's amazing, but what is that a 4B dollar cost, that's insane

[jayboogieman]

 

[jbland]

On 5/4/2023 at 5:24 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Economic studies have shown that public spending on stadium projects is a terrible "investments" and essentially amounts to a handout to billionaires. Something feels extremely grifty about the numbers involved too. Jerryworld cost $1.4B to build in '04 and was considered wildly extravagant at the time. The Falcons' new stadium cost $1.6B. You're telling me you need $1.2B just to RENOVATE our current stadium? I call BULLSHIT.

Agreed but I’ll bet half that money goes towards the practice facility. 
 

If they’re going to spend “real money” on a remodel it needs to be a dome. 

[Lame Duck]

Just now, jbland said:

Agreed but I’ll bet half that money goes towards the practice facility. 
 

If they’re going to spend “real money” on a remodel it needs to be a dome. 

I bet they will put a roof over Panthers stadium for that money. 

[Ocpanthertew714]

Public funding and billionaires go hand in hang like toothpaste and a toothbrush.

I hope it gets down

Last thing I want is for Charlotte to turn into the new Oakland (in terms of professional sports teams) 

 

[Sgt Schultz]

On 5/11/2023 at 6:45 AM, TheCasillas said:

since the renovations are in the 1.2 billion range... I would not be surprised... or at least that new 3/4 roof concept that we are seeing across all sports stadium concepts. 

However, I'd love for Tepper to roll out this concept: 

 

This would allow real grass for both soccer and football. Then also allow concerts and events at the stadium without sacrificing the field.  This is getting really popular at the international soccer level, and I believe the Raiders do this with their new field.

I think Allegiant Stadium is less elaborate, and more like Phoenix.  As I understand it, the grass field is on a try like Phoenix that rolls in and out.  The difference is Allegiant has an artificial turf field on the foundation that the grass field tray sits above when it is rolled in, whereas Phoenix is just the concrete foundation.  I guess the tray for the field in Allegiant has enough support to not sit directly on the artificial turf when it is rolled in.

From what I read, UNLV uses the artificial turf field.  I don't know if that was by choice or the Raidahs don't want the additional wear on their grass field.

[Soul Rebel]

1 hour ago, jbland said:

Agreed but I’ll bet half that money goes towards the practice facility. 
 

If they’re going to spend “real money” on a remodel it needs to be a dome. 

Does the public/local gov't get any ROI when the public funds part of it? Any returns from the gate/concessions/ownership revenue that is collected over the years since the locals are footing part of the bill?

Seems rather "scammy" if the public funds part of it, yet the owners/shareholders reap the profits without reallocating it back to the folks that helped build it.

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

Public funding and billionaires go hand in hang like toothpaste and a toothbrush.

I hope it gets down

Last thing I want is for Charlotte to turn into the new Oakland (in terms of professional sports teams) 

 

I don't. Socializing the costs so the billionaires can reap all the profits is one of the dumbest things this country does repeatedly no matter the industry and it never works for the public like the billionaires claim it will.

[UnluckyforSome]

New stadium sometimes means Superbowl. New domed stadium always means Superbowl. I would also think a new facility would put them in line to host the draft. I am not a NC resident so my opinion doesn't mean anything though.