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Brian Burns ranked #7 edge rusher in league by NFL execs, coaches, and scouts

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8 minutes ago, KSpan said:

This is a stale take - few "undervalue" Burns as an edge rusher, if anyone at all. Little question that the dude is high quality in that respect. The flip side is more that he's one-dimensional and going to cost a ton. With a trade package on the table like the Rams offered, which placed a pretty dang high value on Burns, it presented the opportunity to spread that value around (since the Rams suck) and gain a big chunk of salary cap relief in the process, a key component to success in modern NFL.

Having that trade be successful isn't/wasn't reliant on being 100% sure that one of those picks turned into another Burns like is often framed, but rather that the value locked up in his position could be disbursed across multiple positions with good odds of turning a number of weaknesses on a growing team into strengths.

That said, what's done is done and he will hopefully develop into a true all-around monster this year. However, the potential of that trade that didn't happen can and will be discussed all the way until that final pick passes in 2025. 

 

lol Stale take? How quaint

 

We have zero players with large contracts. We have a rookie QB. Now is a good time to lock down your best Defensive player. 

 

At some point in time you have to pay your best players. And right now is a really good time for that.

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2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Burns had 1/3 (12.5)  of our total sacks (35) last year, with no true passing rusher threat any where else on the D-line. Marques Haynes had 4 sacks. No one else on the team even managed 3.  Our DT's combined for a grand total of TWO.  Our 2nd leading sacker was Frankie Luvu (7), an OLB. Despite the lack of help on the line it  seemed like half of our message board couldn't wait to get rid him heading into the 2023 season for draft picks(s) which in all likelihood wouldn't come close to replacing his production in the rookie season. I'd say that Brian Burns is definitely undervalued by "some" of the Panther fans.

Frankie lines up at edge and Mike, primarily more the latter as the season went on. Quite a few of his sacks came from blitzing thru the middle.

You're spot on, I just want to emphasize how bad our edge rush is not named Brian Burns.

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10 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

TRADE HIM! He sucks! Derp derp derp.......Huddle freaked out when we didn't trade him. Can't wait till he proves all you haters wrong in this Defense 

 

Well, technically, there is only 1 person in this thread that wants to jettison Burns. However, he has lots of silent partners. 

 

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30 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

lol Stale take? How quaint

 

We have zero players with large contracts. We have a rookie QB. Now is a good time to lock down your best Defensive player. 

 

At some point in time you have to pay your best players. And right now is a really good time for that.

What's quaint is this assertion of disrespect/fans don't appreciate/'insert similar comment here' present in a given fanbase, as if there aren't differing opinions across every team in the sports world. I live here in KC, arguably the top of the NFL for several years now, and there are people complaining about the fanbase. Hell, even certain players were whining about it in recent years. The whole 'fanbase doesn't appreciate...' take is incredibly stale and unoriginal.

19 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

TRADE HIM! He sucks! Derp derp derp.......Huddle freaked out when we didn't trade him. Can't wait till he proves all you haters wrong in this Defense 

Yup, there are hordes of people claiming Burns sucks. You're right on the money...

And speaking of stale, 'hater' is about the most meaningless word out there these days.

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When the fanbase considers its star WR to be a mid-tier WR2 because he didn't score touchdowns with shitty QBs, and its star DE to be on par with league-average DEs because he doesn't play the run like Brian Urlacher, yeah, saying they're underrating players isn't stale and it isn't unoriginal. It's valid.

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15 minutes ago, KSpan said:

What's quaint is this assertion of disrespect/fans don't appreciate/'insert similar comment here' present in a given fanbase, as if there aren't differing opinions across every team in the sports world. I live here in KC, arguably the top of the NFL for several years now, and there are people complaining about the fanbase. Hell, even certain players were whining about it in recent years. The whole 'fanbase doesn't appreciate...' take is incredibly stale and unoriginal.

Yup, there are hordes of people claiming Burns sucks. You're right on the money...

And speaking of stale, 'hater' is about the most meaningless word out there these days.

 

lol You can dance around it all you want with that KC stuff. But, in this thread, you're the only one that wants to trade Burns. What's that say about the amount of support your stance is getting?

 

What's the use of having a Rookie QB on a rookie QB pay scale, if you don't use the money to pay your best players? Pay Burns, who we've developed, or pay a FA who may not even fit? 

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38 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

TRADE HIM! He sucks! Derp derp derp.......Huddle freaked out when we didn't trade him. Can't wait till he proves all you haters wrong in this Defense 

Burns likely continues to prove everyone correct to an extent. 

Is he a great pass rusher? Absolutely. 

Is he a great overall DE?  Not really. 

 

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12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Burns likely continues to prove everyone correct to an extent. 

Is he a great pass rusher? Absolutely. 

Is he a great overall DE?  Not really. 

 

 

lol A perfect example of another Panther fan undervaluing one of our own. Burns is ranked 7th, but according to @CRA he's not really a great DE. 

 

Makes one wonder where he'd be ranked if he was really good? /s

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2 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

lol A perfect example of another Panther fan undervaluing one of our own. Burns is ranked 7th, but according to @CRA he's not really a great DE. 

 

Makes one wonder where he'd be ranked if he was really good? /s

In fairness to the rankings this same group also had him top 5 after his rookie season so take it with a grain of salt.  

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