It’s not going to be cheap to retain Derrick Big Baby Brown

[SOJA]

On 7/18/2023 at 9:32 AM, SCO96 said:

I think it is questionable to call Derrick Brown a legit pass rushing DT. Our DT's combined for 2 sacks last season. DB got 1/2 of that number.

I'm old enough to remember Joe Greene and Randy White dominating from the entire line in the late 1970's. I've seen guys like John Randle, Warren Sapp, Bryant Young, Howie Long terrorize QB's from the DT position. Today, Aaron Donald averages more sacks than most DE's. Those type of guys are worth $20 million a season. Thirty-two year old Fletcher Cox has 7 sacks for the Eagles in 2022 despite being several years past his prime. I could even see paying a 25-26 year old Cox that type of money. "So far" Brown hasn't proven to be that type of player. If his current level of play continues thru his current contract and he asks for $20 million a year to resign, then it would be in our best interest to let him move on.

You hit the nail on the head when you said "if he continues to improve". I'd take that even further. He needs to become a dominant player at his position before I'd even consider dishing out that type of money. As a GM, if I knew he was looking for that type of contract I'd start looking for his replacement in the draft over the next two seasons in order to have someone ready to replace when/if we decided to part ways.

agreed he isn't there yet but that's partially imo to Matt Rhule asking him to constantly change if he was playing the UT or NT the past few years

[DennisM1]

Let him play out the two years tag him and then move on he's not worth a long term contract imo

[Peon Awesome]

I'm a Panthers homer but Derrick Brown isn't in the same league as Quinnen Williams. And the reality is, even if they're arguably as valuable in the game as pass rushers, space eating/run stopping DTs don't command the flashy contract numbers. A better comp would be Dalvin Tomlinson who also signed a new contract this year, 4 years $57 million. If Derrick Brown takes another step forward this year, he might be in line for something in that ballpark.

[Varking]

Brown won’t get near that contract because of his lack of sacks. And he has never been that guy, even in college. He was a 3-4 sacks a year kind of guy in college playing against much lesser competition in relation to the talent around him. 

Brown also accounts for 0 forced fumbles through 3 NFL seasons. 

[SCO96]

On 7/22/2023 at 10:02 PM, Peon Awesome said:

I'm a Panthers homer but Derrick Brown isn't in the same league as Quinnen Williams. And the reality is, even if they're arguably as valuable in the game as pass rushers, space eating/run stopping DTs don't command the flashy contract numbers. A better comp would be Dalvin Tomlinson who also signed a new contract this year, 4 years $57 million. If Derrick Brown takes another step forward this year, he might be in line for something in that ballpark.

I totally agree with your assessment on his talent level. To be frank, I'd have doubts signing him to a 14-15 mil per year; especially if I had holes to major holes to fill on the team and had a player or two on the roster capable of giving me similar production at a much lower cost. 

[TheMaulClaw]

We should just draft another tackle to replace in next years draft and solve that problem.

[tiger7_88]

On 7/23/2023 at 10:26 AM, Varking said:

 He was a 3-4 sacks a year kind of guy in college playing against much lesser competition in relation to the talent around him. 

Sooooooo easy to say and to say it sooooooooo flippantly.

Brown DESTROYED pockets regularly and repeatedly in college while always being double-teamed and, on occasion, triple-teamed.  Auburn had edge rushers in those years who FEASTED on those collapsed pockets.

You don’t win SEC Defensive Player of the Year as an honorary, polite, going-away gift.

Some of y’all are stretching those ligaments to the near-snapping point.  

[Ricky Prickles]

Why is he called "Big Baby" Brown?

[Varking]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Sooooooo easy to say and to say it sooooooooo flippantly.

Brown DESTROYED pockets regularly and repeatedly in college while always being double-teamed and, on occasion, triple-teamed.  Auburn had edge rushers in those years who FEASTED on those collapsed pockets.

You don’t win SEC Defensive Player of the Year as an honorary, polite, going-away gift.

Some of y’all are stretching those ligaments to the near-snapping point.  

Brother,

I didn’t say he didn’t provide pressures. But there are other guys who got double teamed and got sacks still. And it does not excuse the fact that Brown doesn’t have a single forced fumble in the NFL. I love the kid. I was happy with the pick and I was one of the few posters here talking about giving him time to develop during a not so impressive rookie season. He isn’t going to get and isn’t deserving enough of the money shared in the OP. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

On 7/24/2023 at 4:18 PM, TheMaulClaw said:

We should just draft another tackle to replace in next years draft and solve that problem.

Not a bad idea at all

[Stuart Smith]

On 7/15/2023 at 11:11 AM, FuFuLamePoo said:

We’re trying to act like he’s someone that he isn’t solely because of draft positioning. Had we taken him in like Round 2 (where I had him graded) no one is acting like we have a potentially 15-20m/per year player on our hands.

He would not have been there in round 2. 

[Icege]

14 hours ago, Varking said:

Brother,

I didn’t say he didn’t provide pressures. But there are other guys who got double teamed and got sacks still. And it does not excuse the fact that Brown doesn’t have a single forced fumble in the NFL. I love the kid. I was happy with the pick and I was one of the few posters here talking about giving him time to develop during a not so impressive rookie season. He isn’t going to get and isn’t deserving enough of the money shared in the OP. 

Doesn't have a forced fumble, but he does have two picks and plenty of pass deflections!

I understand that folks want him to have sacks, but we can't ignore the other net positive plays that he creates for the defense that have impacted the opposing QB.

I'm interested to see if he's going to have more opportunities to get to the QB. Allegedly, Evero's system rushes four while using the primary pass rusher (in our case, Burns) to eat up double teams. Hopefully pairing that with how the scheme is also known to disguise coverages pre-snap will give DBrown more opportunities to get to the QB.

[csx]

There is absolutely no point in making any conclusions or even having a strong opinion about his future value before he plays in Evero's defense.

[SCO96]

21 hours ago, csx said:

There is absolutely no point in making any conclusions or even having a strong opinion about his future value before he plays in Evero's defense.

This one sentence post may be the best one I've read since we began this topic. 

After looking back on the disaster known as the "Rhule Era", I think your reasoning applies to any remaining roster players drafted by Carolina from 2020-2022. Most of those guys have yet to experience solid coaching at a professional level.