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Young Won the Job at the Pro Day Dinner

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7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Good God dude are you related to the teppers?

No, I just haven't seen a single piece of evidence that even remotely says they had any actual impact on the decision.  Them going to the pro days and pictures of them hugging are the furthest thing from any proof.

You also have to remember that I'm not a Bryce fan, I never wanted to trade up and once we did, I was 100% in the Stroud camp up until our pick was announced.

I'm not trying to defend the pick, I hated it and I still do (but still desperately hope I'm wrong in the end), but I'm not going to just start blaming the Tepper's without even the slightest thread of evidence of them "forcing this pick on the staff who didn't want him."

Everyone keeps pointing to pictures of them hugging and saying "I think Tepper forced the pick" and saying "what owner goes to the pro days" but none of that is even the start of an inkling of him inserting himself into the decision, not one bit.

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We picked the QB that most charts had as the top QB in the draft. Yes most of us including myself preferred Stroud, but most analysts had Young as QB1. It wasn’t some shocking reach when it was announced. Fitt and Reich have both said it was Young from the beginning. He is why they traded up and his interviews just confirmed what they thought 

Now a DL landing on our QB’s ankle (which there is footage of) caused an injury and we aren’t going to try to force a rookie QB to play through it. He will sit until the medical team clears him for play as stated over and over again. I know it’s nothing exciting but it’s what is happening. 

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

no their not, they are being gifted 2 top 5 picks to the new regime

I don't know, they've pretty much never had a legit top tier QB in their looooong franchise history. Probably not much they wouldn't give up to secure one and so far CJ has looked the part. No one would care that we're 0-3 of Bryce was playing like that. Then again, we wouldn't be 0-3 if that was the case.

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2 minutes ago, Buckeye Homer said:

Chicago is probably wishing they had traded Fields and taken Young, Stroud, or Richardson.  Chicago was supposed to be improved but instead they're even worse, but I guess that's another thread.  

If I was a Bears fan, I’d be ecstatic at the thought of two top-5 picks next year. Not sure they are any better than us at the moment, only they have hope in next year’s draft. 

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8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Having the owner's backing and the owner making the decision himself are two completely different things, literally not in the same universe as there isn't a GM/HC in the league who would (or even could) make a move that significant without having the owner's backing and approval.

I also think that was equally on Rhule going after him because he felt that Watson was a QB that could help him save his job.

When you're talking about the face of a billion dollar business, that decision isn't being pushed without the owner. You said there wasn't a whisper of Tepper putting any influence into that. I'm calling BS. There's no way in hell I allow a man accused of 24 counts of sexual misconduct to be the face of my business, especially when every other owner is sitting quiet, without being heavily involved and influencing that decision. All this was happening before the settlement agreements. He was willing to do this without knowing what the outcome was going to be. Do you know what that would do to the image of this franchise and its value? I don't give a poo how good the meatballs are, no way Tepper is letting Rhule cost him potentially billions without being heavily involved in the decision making process. 

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Holy crap when hasn't Tepper been involved with the process? WTF are yall talking about. He is always in the room. Draft, scouting trips, meatballs. He doesn't look like a Jerry trying to be a GM but he sure is on hand anytime something goes down. That doesn't take away form the rest of the crew doing their thing. He is always there and crap always ends up the same seems to be the consistent things going on since he bought the team. 

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4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

We picked the QB that most charts had as the top QB in the draft. Yes most of us including myself preferred Stroud, but most analysts had Young as QB1. It wasn’t some shocking reach when it was announced. Fitt and Reich have both said it was Young from the beginning. He is why they traded up and his interviews just confirmed what they thought 

Now a DL landing on our QB’s ankle (which there is footage of) caused an injury and we aren’t going to try to force a rookie QB to play through it. He will sit until the medical team clears him for play as stated over and over again. I know it’s nothing exciting but it’s what is happening. 

I think it's because size taken out of the equation, Young was the clear better prospect.

Coaches are arrogant who think they can solve a problem like a small QB by being smarter than everyone else.

Fans are afraid of injuries (particularly thanks to the rise of fantasy football) and thus couldn't get past the injury concerns.  I personally always said his size was the only reason I didn't want him, not even his height, just didn't think he was ever going to have a chance at staying healthy long term.

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1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

When you're talking about the face of a billion dollar business, that decision isn't being pushed without the owner. You said there wasn't a whisper of Tepper putting any influence into that. I'm calling BS. There's no way in hell I allow a man accused of 24 counts of sexual misconduct to be the face of my business, especially when every other owner is sitting quiet, without being heavily involved and influencing that decision. All this was happening before the settlement agreements. He was willing to do this without knowing what the outcome was going to be. Do you know what that would do to the image of this franchise and its value? I don't give a poo how good the meatballs are, no way Tepper is letting Rhule cost him potentially billions without being heavily involved in the decision making process. 

First of all, all the other teams weren't sitting quiet, there were multiple teams trying to trade for him.

Second, if it really was Tepper's call and he was the one forcing it, he'd have agreed to the fully guaranteed deal and made sure the deal got done.

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5 minutes ago, Buckeye Homer said:

If you were a Bears fan you'd be lambasting Bears' ownership instead of Carolina's ownership.  😉  🙂  

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Sure would, but I’d also have hope for the future. I’ve never been so down on this team as I am right now…and that’s saying something because I was in the stands during the Pickle year. 

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2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Holy crap when hasn't Tepper been involved with the process? WTF are yall talking about. He is always in the room. Draft, scouting trips, meatballs. He doesn't look like a Jerry trying to be a GM but he sure is on hand anytime something goes down. That doesn't take away form the rest of the crew doing their thing. He is always there and crap always ends up the same seems to be the consistent things going on since he bought the team. 

I'm quite confident in saying the overwhelming majority of owners in this league are in all of those meetings as well.

I'm sure some owners aren't, like Ford in Detroit or McNair in Houston, I don't see the 70+ year old women who inherited the team when their husbands died to be in those rooms, but I guarantee someone else in the ownership family is, such as Cal McNair would be instead.

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