Open Window Throw Selection & Accuracy for QBs so far

[joemac]

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Yes...lots of passes to RBs behind the line and screens will do that. 

Well you are going to get a lot of that when the offensive line is dogshit, the WRs get no separation, and thats what his coaches are calling.

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, joemac said:

Well you are going to get a lot of that when the offensive line is dogshit, the WRs get no separation, and thats what his coaches are calling.

And when he does throw deep it’s inaccurate. We can’t win. 

[CPF4LIFE]

5 minutes ago, joemac said:

Well you are going to get a lot of that when the offensive line is dogshit, the WRs get no separation, and thats what his coaches are calling.

Sure....Thats the typical outlook when you defending a qb that constantly changes the play at the line, holds the ball long for nfl standards and cant see wide receivers when they are open down field. But yeah....its not him.

[joemac]

1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Sure....Thats the typical outlook when you defending a qb that constantly changes the play at the line, holds the ball long for nfl standards and cant see wide receivers when they are open down field. But yeah....its not him.

[Carl Spackler]

3 minutes ago, joemac said:

Go easy on him, he's blind

[USDepartmentOfSavagery]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

A lot of heads will continue to be in the sand and this data is going to fall on stubborn deaf ears. I appreciate all the data you have compiled here and it really helps tell the whole story.

But but but CJ strAWD 

[ForJimmy]

20 minutes ago, Varking said:

And when he does throw deep it’s inaccurate. We can’t win. 

I'm legit trying to think of his deep throws.  Week 1 he had two, one was an overthrow (100% on him) and 2 was TMJ quitting on his route (not really his fault, but inconclusive).  I know last week he had one and he was hit as he threw it.  So yeah he hasn't been accurate on those 3 passes, 1 due to getting hit (bad OL), 1 on his WR not finishing his route, and 3 on him overthrowing it.  I can't think of many more if any deep attempts.  

[carpanfan96]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

Andy Dalton fans are gonna foam at the mouth over this one

That I'm not surprised about at all. He's gotten sacked a ton on scrambles,  gave up two huge fumbles and hasn't made a lot of positive impact while doing it. 

[frankw]

I see a whole page of nifty charts. Some interesting data to ponder for sure.

But what do we attribute Andy Dalton's success passing the ball downfield in hostile territory to?

We know there are mitigating factors and certainly all of this is not on only Bryce Young's shoulders but charts only tell you one piece of the story. Bryce still has to start trusting himself more. And if we can't get some semblance of a deep connection defenses will continue to play him the same and we are not likely to see much improvement.

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

I see a whole page of nifty charts. Some interesting data to ponder for sure.

But what do we attribute Andy Dalton's success passing the ball downfield in hostile territory to?

We know there are mitigating factors and certainly all of this is not on only Bryce Young's shoulders but charts only tell you one piece of the story. Bryce still has to start trusting himself more. And if we can't get some semblance of a deep connection defenses will continue to play him the same and we are not likely to see much improvement.

The playcalling and route combinations were completely different when Dalton played. 

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

The playcalling and route combinations were completely different when Dalton played. 

Right but why is that? Does Reich simply not have confidence in Bryce because he is a rookie or is he not confident in his ability to throw downfield? Either way this is a mess.

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Right but why is that? Does Reich simply not have confidence in Bryce because he is a rookie or is he not confident in his ability to throw downfield? Either way this is a mess.

Considering all they’ve done is tell us how smart Bryce is and how much they’ve been able to put on his plate it’s becoming quite obvious which one it is

Edited October 5, 2023 by *FreeFua*

[joemac]

17 minutes ago, frankw said:

I see a whole page of nifty charts. Some interesting data to ponder for sure.

But what do we attribute Andy Dalton's success passing the ball downfield in hostile territory to?

We know there are mitigating factors and certainly all of this is not on only Bryce Young's shoulders but charts only tell you one piece of the story. Bryce still has to start trusting himself more. And if we can't get some semblance of a deep connection defenses will continue to play him the same and we are not likely to see much improvement.

Andy Dalton threw the ball 58 times that game, and had less Yards per Attempt than Bryce did last game...

[ForJimmy]

15 minutes ago, joemac said:

Andy Dalton threw the ball 58 times that game, and had less Yards per Attempt than Bryce did last game...

It’s like yeah he connected with like 2-3 deep passes out of 58. Like you stated his average was on par with much more attempts. Our offense did score a lot better though.