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Marquis Haynes Sr. ?

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d-dave Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Talking about "potential" in a guy who is 29 this season is a little silly.  All wishes for a full recovery to the guy, but he's a JAG.

I'd say he's a JAG++, as someone who has been a pretty decent situational rusher the past few years.  I'm not expecting him to save the season by any means, but he's actually a halfway decent pass rusher to rotate in situationally.

I mean, consider that we haven't even gotten a single sack from Houston - maybe we just need someone else.

Please pardon my rose tinted spectacles...  It's just who I am.  If you're more interest in trashing the team: "Panthers suck, fire everyone, trade everyone! We are the worstest evar!!!"

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2 hours ago, d-dave said:

I'd say he's a JAG++, as someone who has been a pretty decent situational rusher the past few years.  I'm not expecting him to save the season by any means, but he's actually a halfway decent pass rusher to rotate in situationally.

I mean, consider that we haven't even gotten a single sack from Houston - maybe we just need someone else.

Please pardon my rose tinted spectacles...  It's just who I am.  If you're more interest in trashing the team: "Panthers suck, fire everyone, trade everyone! We are the worstest evar!!!"

I'm sorry you missed the point.  Haynes is what he is at this point.  There is no "potential" to tap into.

I'm sorry you've mistaken me for someone who is a Panthers trasher.  I am definitely a Panthers realist.  I prefer to look at what is really happening; not what any rose colored glasses tell me, and certainly not what the negative masses tell me.

Haynes has shown us who he is.  He's on his second contract, one which the Panthers had no competition for his signature on.  Not even from the Washington Riverboats.  He has 1338 snaps in his career, making 83 tackles and 13 sacks.

By way of comparison, Mike Rucker was a good - not great - defensive end for us.  After five years of his career he had 244 tackles and 36.5 sacks.  Charles Johnson - good not great - 153 tackles and 31 sacks after five years.

Haynes is the dictionary definition of a JAG.  Doesn't mean he can't or won't contribute, just means he's an average NFL player.  Every team has them, every team needs them.  But you don't lay your hopes on a guy at this stage of their career suddenly becoming a solution.  He's just a rotational piece we employ because you can't have a roster full of studs.

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3 hours ago, BrianS said:

Talking about "potential" in a guy who is 29 this season is a little silly.  All wishes for a full recovery to the guy, but he's a JAG.

FWIW, Mario Addison was in a similar spot with us and finally became a full time starter in his age 30 season. Up to that point he was a pass rush specialist in a similar role as Haynes has been so far. Not saying we can rely on him becoming a good player at age 29+ like Addison but it is definitely possible he just needs to get on the field.

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1 hour ago, BrianS said:

I'm sorry you missed the point.  Haynes is what he is at this point.  There is no "potential" to tap into.

I'm sorry you've mistaken me for someone who is a Panthers trasher.  I am definitely a Panthers realist.  I prefer to look at what is really happening; not what any rose colored glasses tell me, and certainly not what the negative masses tell me.

Haynes has shown us who he is.  He's on his second contract, one which the Panthers had no competition for his signature on.  Not even from the Washington Riverboats.  He has 1338 snaps in his career, making 83 tackles and 13 sacks.

By way of comparison, Mike Rucker was a good - not great - defensive end for us.  After five years of his career he had 244 tackles and 36.5 sacks.  Charles Johnson - good not great - 153 tackles and 31 sacks after five years.

Haynes is the dictionary definition of a JAG.  Doesn't mean he can't or won't contribute, just means he's an average NFL player.  Every team has them, every team needs them.  But you don't lay your hopes on a guy at this stage of their career suddenly becoming a solution.  He's just a rotational piece we employ because you can't have a roster full of studs.

Man, I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to insult you. That last bit is more for the constant trashers we have who's end argument is that there is nothing to look forward to with the Panthers.  I didn't mean that towards you!  Sadly I'm outside of the edit window, but again I have proved I am an idiot with a keyboard!

I don't disagree about the potential, I just happen to think he's a little more than a JAG, more of a role player.  To me, a JAG is someone with average NFL performance, and I just happen to think that Haynes gives us more than that as a situational pass rusher.

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3 hours ago, BrianS said:

I'm sorry you missed the point.  Haynes is what he is at this point.  There is no "potential" to tap into.

I'm sorry you've mistaken me for someone who is a Panthers trasher.  I am definitely a Panthers realist.  I prefer to look at what is really happening; not what any rose colored glasses tell me, and certainly not what the negative masses tell me.

Haynes has shown us who he is.  He's on his second contract, one which the Panthers had no competition for his signature on.  Not even from the Washington Riverboats.  He has 1338 snaps in his career, making 83 tackles and 13 sacks.

By way of comparison, Mike Rucker was a good - not great - defensive end for us.  After five years of his career he had 244 tackles and 36.5 sacks.  Charles Johnson - good not great - 153 tackles and 31 sacks after five years.

Haynes is the dictionary definition of a JAG.  Doesn't mean he can't or won't contribute, just means he's an average NFL player.  Every team has them, every team needs them.  But you don't lay your hopes on a guy at this stage of their career suddenly becoming a solution.  He's just a rotational piece we employ because you can't have a roster full of studs.

Those DE were starters. Haynes is great depth like Al Wallace.

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5 hours ago, BrianS said:

I'm sorry you missed the point.  Haynes is what he is at this point.  There is no "potential" to tap into.

I'm sorry you've mistaken me for someone who is a Panthers trasher.  I am definitely a Panthers realist.  I prefer to look at what is really happening; not what any rose colored glasses tell me, and certainly not what the negative masses tell me.

Haynes has shown us who he is.  He's on his second contract, one which the Panthers had no competition for his signature on.  Not even from the Washington Riverboats.  He has 1338 snaps in his career, making 83 tackles and 13 sacks.

By way of comparison, Mike Rucker was a good - not great - defensive end for us.  After five years of his career he had 244 tackles and 36.5 sacks.  Charles Johnson - good not great - 153 tackles and 31 sacks after five years.

Haynes is the dictionary definition of a JAG.  Doesn't mean he can't or won't contribute, just means he's an average NFL player.  Every team has them, every team needs them.  But you don't lay your hopes on a guy at this stage of their career suddenly becoming a solution.  He's just a rotational piece we employ because you can't have a roster full of studs.

He is a situational/depth guy. Kind of by definition a JAG because there are a lot of guys in the league that can fill his role.

Doesn't really mean I would want to cut him loose because everyone needs depth but I don't view him that much differently than someone like, say Obada. 

Although the Obada story was so cool that it did suck to see him go. 

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