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Where I'm at midseason

Mr. Scot

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4 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Uh I know the internet is serious business but what exactly was I spamming @rayzor 

 

since you want the laundry hung out in public, it wasn't supposed to be for spamming. spamming is the default for some reason. it was supposed to be for the insult, ie "verbally abusive".

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He made his wife VP with ZERO experience. As soon as that went down, I knew something wasn't right. He sees himself as the BOSS (he holds the check book), and his wife 2nd in command.

He is never going to give up doing what he wants. This team is doomed as long as that is the case.

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2 minutes ago, frankw said:

I like you Scot. But after dozens of posts of you telling me and others in a condescending manner that David Tepper isn't a meddler this is very delicious

Don't know that I've ever had a positive opinion on Temper, outside of saying at least he's capable of learning.

But to be clear (which I thought I was) I still don't know to what level he's influencing things. That's why I couches my discussions in terms of "if".

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1 minute ago, Jmac said:

He made his wife VP with ZERO experience. As soon as that went down, I knew something wasn't right. He sees himself as the boss and his wife 2nd in command.

He is never going to give up doing what he wants. This team is doomed as long as that is the case.

Hiring unqualified family members for positions of power is something criminal business people do because close family members like a wife or son are about the only people they can trust to tell them where the bodies are 

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3 minutes ago, Jmac said:

He made his wife VP with ZERO experience. As soon as that went down, I knew something wasn't right. He sees himself as the BOSS (he holds the check book), and his wife 2nd in command.

He is never going to give up doing what he wants. This team is doomed as long as that is the case.

I have no issue with his wife being part of the business side of things.

(hell, I've got no problem with Tepper himself on that front)

When it comes to football though...

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12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Don't know that I've ever had a positive opinion on Tepper, outside of saying at least he's capable of learning.

But to be clear (which I thought I was) I still don't know to what level he's influencing things. That's why I couches my discussions in terms of "if".

We can only speculate his influence. But he's been in on just about every draft pick phone call and he finds a way to get his mug in there at any significant press conference. Then there were the remarks Reich made about differences in ownership approach. The only question now is how much is he actually dictating to Scott Fitterer on major decisions. At this point one would have to be very naive to believe Mr. and Mrs. Tepper didn't influence at some level the decision on who to pick at #1. They didn't hide who they wanted. Until they change their ways we will continue to flounder and embarrass ourselves.

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Seriously though, what's your updated opinion on Carr?

Honestly, he still doesn't move the needle for me. I think that he's OK, but I have serious questions as to whether or not he could ever win a championship. His ceiling seems like the second round of the playoffs.

Now do I think we'd have a better win-loss record this season? Sure. Would we be legitimate contenders to win a chip? No. If I could go back in time and acquire him and keep all our picks and D.J. Moore? Probably. He may have helped save us from ourselves. And that may have been worth it, especially if we'd have been players in the 2024 QB draft class. 

But, honestly, I'd rather have Stroud than Carr, or even Levis than Carr. Carr has always struck me as being decent to pretty good, depending upon the week, but never ever great. Nothing he has done this season has changed my mind.

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2 minutes ago, frankw said:

We can only speculate his influence. But he's been in on just about every draft pick phone call and he finds a way to get his mug in there at any significant press conference. Then there were the remarks made about differences in ownership approach. The only question now is how much is he actually dictating to Scott Fitterer on major decisions. At this point one would have to be very naive to believe Mr. and Mrs. Tepper didn't influence at some level the decision on who to pick at #1. They didn't hide who they wanted. Until they change their ways we will continue to founder and embarrass ourselves.

To be clear, I actually started writing this thread during the bye week. Just hadn't posted it till now because my thoughts were still coalescing...

Here's one of them.

Back during Fitterer's first draft with Rhule, there was a moment in the draft video where Tepper turned to whomever was on the phone and directed them what to say back to another team.

I didn't necessarily think that much of it at the time because what he said wasn't that big a deal, but in the wake of Frank Reich's comments about Tepper's involvement that moment came back up.

In truth, that's one of the reasons why I started asking questions to begin with.

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5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Honestly, he still doesn't move the needle for me. I think that he's OK, but I have serious questions as to whether or not he could ever win a championship. His ceiling seems like the second round of the playoffs.

Now do I think we'd have a better win-loss record this season? Sure. Would we be legitimate contenders to win a chip? No. If I could go back in time and acquire him and keep all our picks and D.J. Moore? Probably. He may have helped save us from ourselves. And that may have been worth it, especially if we'd have been players in the 2024 QB draft class. 

But, honestly, I'd rather have Stroud than Carr, or even Levis than Carr. Carr has always struck me as being decent to pretty good, depending upon the week, but never ever great. Nothing he has done this season has changed my mind.

I think the bigger deal for me would have been the ability to put off the decision until we saw more of what was going to happen under Reich.

That would have required patience though, and neither Tepper nor the fanbase seems to have much of that.

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      something to feel good about in the offseason..."could be something special brewing in Carolina"

      By tukafan21 · Posted

      Then don't tune in. It's really not a hard concept to understand, if your making your decision based on your own personal needs/feelings as opposed to what is best for the future of the franchise, then it's a you problem, not a Panthers problem. When the season is already lost, every fan should be rooting for the same thing.  The team plays hard until the final whistle of the season and keeps improving as a team and individually, but in the end, we still come up short and lose games, and preferably because the other team beat us, not because we screwed up and found a way to lose due to our own fault. Look at it this way... If we are up 1 or 2 points with 3 seconds left in the game and the other team is lining up for a FG.  Beyond the joy of victory or the disappointment of defeat, what impact does the other team making or missing the FG have on our team the following season? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING Except where we draft and what teams we play due to our finish in the division. The players and coaches on the team would have the exact same level of improvement and learnings about themselves individually and as a team whether the FG is made or missed.  The ONLY difference in the end is the record in the standings and if the win or loss number changes. If you want to argue if making the playoffs to lose in the first round or just missing them is better or worse, that's totally fair and I can at least understand the other side of it.  But in what is already a lost season, if you're not hoping your team plays well but ends up losing, then you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.  You're hoping for a moment of happiness at the detriment of the franchise's future, and in turn, you're basically then happy for a moment to only set yourself up for future further disappointment.
    • HaricotVert
      something to feel good about in the offseason..."could be something special brewing in Carolina"

      By HaricotVert · Posted

      If we’re eliminated I want the wins more.   The season is already a disappointment and if I’m not pulling for wins why bother to tune in?
    • tukafan21
      something to feel good about in the offseason..."could be something special brewing in Carolina"

      By tukafan21 · Posted

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