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This Oline is performing terribly. Is it because they all of a sudden can no longer play football, or could it be that the scheme is night and day? They have to figure out how to hold blocks for a QB that is 7 yards in the backfield before the snap and after he drops 2-3 more. Being soft in the middle and trying to block DEs, stunting DTs and gap blitzing LBs is a tall task when they can pursue the QB just by running in a straight line.

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21 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

People who get paid a lot of money to evaluate football players looked at this roster and concluded that we were “just a QB away.”

The thing about working in football operations is that there is no degree or formal education required to do it. The criteria to work in the industry is largely where you worked previously and who you know. It’s a certified good ol boy network. That is how you end up with wildly unqualified people making ridiculously too much money to be so bad at something.

Since Tepper bought the team, the thing that I think the Panthers are sorely missing is the soft skills aspects of building a team. Player evaluation in a vacuum is one thing. Data analysis of a players’s stats, physical metrics, it’s all well and good. But the Panthers seem to have fallen off a cliff at finding the right players to pair with the right coaching staff, and having an identity. It’s well documented among former players that player input got shut down as soon as Tepper bought the team. The closest they came to getting back to that was Wilks. The players genuinely seemed to like playing for him and gave their best. The team had an identity and did it well. It didn’t work every game and Wilks made some mistakes. But what he did with this roster was no short of a miracle. 

Tepper truly ruined this franchise, and it’s going to take a long time to fix it. 

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26 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

This Oline is performing terribly. Is it because they all of a sudden can no longer play football, or could it be that the scheme is night and day? They have to figure out how to hold blocks for a QB that is 7 yards in the backfield before the snap and after he drops 2-3 more. Being soft in the middle and trying to block DEs, stunting DTs and gap blitzing LBs is a tall task when they can pursue the QB just by running in a straight line.

This is the one question I would like to be asked at the next press conference. Why are we using a scheme our o-line can’t execute? 

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51 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

 

So does this mean he doesnt care?  Does he want Bryce to take a season ending injury? Is he not allowed to say anything bad about the team?

4 hours ago, Martin said:

This is the one question I would like to be asked at the next press conference. Why are we using a scheme our o-line can’t execute? 

Its the only scheme Bryce can run, it is suited for him and the rest of the team is suffering. 

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2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

So does this mean he doesnt care?  Does he want Bryce to take a season ending injury? Is he not allowed to say anything bad about the team?

Its the only scheme Bryce can run, it is suited for him and the rest of the team is suffering. 

You might be right, but if that’s true they should all be fired. Drafting a QB #1 overall and having to adjust the scheme so it only fits him and makes everyone else suffer is brutal.

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5 minutes ago, Martin said:

You might be right, but if that’s true they should all be fired. Drafting a QB #1 overall and having to adjust the scheme so it only fits him and makes everyone else suffer is brutal.

Not if the boss made them do it....

Everyone knew drafting Bryce meant all pistol or shotgun formations. It basically eliminates over half of a nfl playbook. He barely took any snaps from under center in college. 

He cant execute 3 step or 5 step drops at all that I have seen. 

You have to have a very specific set of players for BY to work in the NFL and we are a long way off from that. 

 

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8 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

So does this mean he doesnt care?  Does he want Bryce to take a season ending injury? Is he not allowed to say anything bad about the team?

Its the only scheme Bryce can run, it is suited for him and the rest of the team is suffering. 

This is not the only scheme bryce can run. This scheme is not even built around Bryce. It's the coaches scheme, then they drafted the best QB they believed could run their scheme. 

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People keep saying Bryce is going to get Carr'ed. What they forget or ignore is that David Carr had a 7 step drop back and his 5 step wasn't much better, from what I remember because of his throwing motion would be too easy to bat down with a 3 step drop. His blocking stunk but he was also part of those epic 76 sacks by holding the ball and not seeing well in a collapsing pocket. 

If Bryce gets Carr'ed it's because he was always that and it just doesn't translate to the NFL well. Playing in shotgun is Bryce's 7 step drop. Hell it might actually be a 7 step drop if they ever played him under center. 

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4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

People keep saying Bryce is going to get Carr'ed. What they forget or ignore is that David Carr had a 7 step drop back and his 5 step wasn't much better, from what I remember because of his throwing motion would be too easy to bat down with a 3 step drop. His blocking stunk but he was also part of those epic 76 sacks by holding the ball and not seeing well in a collapsing pocket. 

If Bryce gets Carr'ed it's because he was always that and it just doesn't translate to the NFL well. Playing in shotgun is Bryce's 7 step drop. Hell it might actually be a 7 step drop if they ever played him under center. 

Your right, and another problem is the step backs is not timed right with the WRs routes and the WRs are too slow also, making bryce hold the ball and blocking breakdown.

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